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I thought I might find the solution to this problem and post it, but no such luck. I'm getting P0171 and P0174 codes and restricted performance. It's happening more and more often. I have an UltraGauge in the car and I am monitoring fuel trims. The LTFTs sit at max (19.53) at idle and the STFT fluctuates, but often goes into double digits - and this triggers the codes and RP. I've checked every hose, sprayed carb cleaner around, shot propane around, listened everywhere. I can't find a vacuum leak. I broke down and replaced the intake manifold seals and the throttle body gasket. While apart, I blew through every hose and examined the intake trunking over and over. I ran some BG44K injector cleaner through it. The fuel pressure is good and the fuel filter is relatively new. I always use branded premium fuel. The car runs flawlessly, idles smooth as silk. The fuel trims only go high when at idle (tick over). I got another MAFS off eBay and tried it - no difference. I got another evap purge valve (also used), and it made no difference. I'm running out of possibilities. One thing I just thought of though, I believe I pulled the dipstick out (after reading the excellent fuel trim write-up I found on here) and I don't believe it made any difference in the STFT. I also unscrewed the oil fill cap and don't believe it made any difference in the STFT. I'll have to verify this. But, I'm getting down to cam cover crack maybe ? Any ideas appreciated. Sorry for the long post ! TIA.
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Wow, Jim. It sure seems you have about covered it from my perspective. Other than the thing you mentioned next, I would try and read the ecu voltage with a scanner with Jag extensions (injector pulses are modified with voltage level) and I might consider the remote possibility that the used MAF had the same failure as your original one. You did clean the MAF sensor, right?
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Well, I did try cleaning my MAF before trying the used one off eBay. I have forced protocol on the UltraGauge and it's working fine. The only problem is the UltraGauge won't read the wide band O2 sensors. The one thing I can correlate sort of with when this started occurring is that the wife had an overheat experience a couple of months ago - cracked rad on a curb. I replaced the rad. Now I'm thinking maybe the heat caused a cam cover to crack or warp. I'm thinking I'll pull the part load breather and plug the pipe and see if the STFTs come down as a quick test before I get into big money.
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If the LTFT is high on both banks, then the O2 sensors on both banks would have to be similarly malfunctioning. It's of course possible, but a bit unlikely..?
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Okay, I smoke tested it and found a leak. I searched the internet and utube and found a way to make your own smoke tester. I won't go into it, but it involves a rubber hose attached to the part load breather tube, a rubber glove and a cigar (I had them laying around anyway). Sounds a little kinky, but it worked. The leak is coming from under the front left of the intake manifold. I can see the smoke and hear the hiss, but I took the intake off and examined it and could not see anything. The only possibility is the I.M. So I found one on FleaBay and ordered it. It's got to be a result of the overheat incident the wife had a month or so ago. I should have the I.M. and new seals soon. I'll finish this thread off (if it kills me!).
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Okay, I smoke tested it and found a leak. I searched the internet and utube and found a way to make your own smoke tester. I won't go into it, but it involves a rubber hose attached to the part load breather tube, a rubber glove and a cigar (I had them laying around anyway). Sounds a little kinky, but it worked. The leak is coming from under the front left of the intake manifold. I can see the smoke and hear the hiss, but I took the intake off and examined it and could not see anything. The only possibility is the I.M. So I found one on FleaBay and ordered it. It's got to be a result of the overheat incident the wife had a month or so ago. I should have the I.M. and new seals soon. I'll finish this thread off (if it kills me!).
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Okay, I'm finally going to put this one to bed. We had some nice weather yesterday, so I replaced my intake manifold and fixed the problem. After a hard reset the fuel trims are finally looking normnal again. I got the IM off eBay for about $100. I also replaced the IM seals and rubbed them down good with vasoline. The IM leak correlates (sp?) with the over heat episode when radiator got smacked. Happy cat now.
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