My previous luxury ride was a Volvo XC70 - and I had a VIDA/DICE setup where I could adjust my settings, read and clear codes post repair. So, does Jag have similar software for the X308? I have my 2013 Ford F-350 hooked up to Forscan, and my 2015 Subaru has similar Subaru software on my WinXP laptop...so is there anything out there I can download? And if so, what kind of OBDII cable do I need?

 

Below is a link to the discussions of scanners for Jaguars.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/g...-33347/page27/

Quite a few members have equipment from British Diagnostics.

Jaguar & Land Rover Diagnostics Equipment

 

Hi edreddy,

Welcome to the Jaguar Forums! It's great to have you with us.

You're obviously a more advanced diagnostician than the average owner-mechanic. What you're looking for is the system Jaguar dealers used on X308s, which was a Ford product called Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS). There are a few sellers on eBay offering versions of IDS. I have Version 125.03, which may be the best option, though other members may know of a better version. Since I also own an X350, I more frequently use the next generation software, Symptom Driven Diagnostics (SDD). Version 131.03 of SDD is available with an additional disc of calibration files, and it will revert to IDS when connected to an X308 or X100, though it does so a bit clumsily.

As far as cables go, the best options are a genuine Ford VCM (not VCM2) or a genuine Drew Technologies Mongoose cable. Clones of both are available but quality varies greatly and there are many accounts in the forums of clone cable failure. If you want to do anything beyond diagnostics, such as programming or software upgrades, you will have to have the genuine VCM or Mongoose or risk ruining one or more control modules in your car.

Use the Advanced Search option under the Search tab above to search for "IDS," "SDD," "VCM" and "Mongoose" for a wealth of information.

And of course, use IDS/SDD at your own risk.

Cheers,

Don

 

Possibly WDS. Some info https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/g...station-41970/

 

Thanks Don et al. I'm going to read through and then search for a proper VCM and then the software. Where we normally find it?

 

Thanks for the info. I am considering buying IDS software and a cable. Just a quick question - I have a new genuine Jaguar key blank; will I be able to programme it to work with my car using the IDS 125.03?

 

You can configure X308 keys with PDU, WDS, IDS (even version DVD42, the first one!!)

bob

 

Thanks. Before I spend $600+ on a Mongoose Pro cable (Jaguar & Land Rover), I would like to be sure that the cable will work on my car. The Mongoose Pro is advertised to be for Jaguar models 1999 and up. My car is a 1999 model and falls within the range but it is supercharged (Daimler Super V8) and has an AJ26 engine with its ECU. NA models year 1999 had AJ27 engine and a different ECU. Have you (or anybody else) successfully used Mongoose Pro cable on a 1999 SC engine, i.e. on AJ26 engines which, for NA, would be 1998 and earlier. So, if Mongoose Pro is not suitable for 1998 models (AJ26), it may not be suitable for 1999 SC engines either as they are AJ26.

 

I successfully use a Mongoose and IDS on a few 1998 X100s/X308s, so it seems likely that this combination should also work on a '99 S/C.

Cheers,

Don

 

I believe the da-vina 2534 can do programming as well, for everything except ecu flashing. I've been meaning to buy one for key programming once I get some spares cut.

 

SDD (version 119>) will 'revert' to Legacy IDS and should configure the keys on all X100 or X308.

The Da-Vina 2534 or Mongoose Pro will need version 125>.

A genuine VCM can use IDS DVD42 (issued in 2006) onward (until SDD VCM2??)

bob

 

Shameless plug from me https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/p...rfaces-182907/

I have one left, with cables.

 

Thanks Cambo!!!

I still have the one you sent me configured to IDS V118.5 and I found another EARLY VCM that I kept the firmware to IDS DVD43. (I love the nostalgic essence of the first iterations of any software!!!! but then again I like firearms from the 19th century. It's kinda like having a 1980 PACMAN video game machine.)

bob

 

Cheers Bob,

Actually I figured out how to use a VCM running newer firmware with IDS V43, seems to work fine.

 

I contacted Drew Technologies regarding the use of Mongoose Pro cable on "Jaguars year 1999 and up" and whether this means the cable is good only for AJ27 engines (and not for AJ26 which SC engines had in 1999) and received the following reply:


"This would be a question for Jaguar support for SDD. I would think if SDD ID's the vehicle as a 1999 model year it will give you the functionality through SDD that it allows. If SDD decodes the VIN as a 1998 MY, then yes it may not work and you would need the legacy dealer tooling. I would recommend contacting Jaguar support. You can try to contact them through the email below. jlrdssg@jaguarlandrover.com"


On the other hand, I found info in the "Service Training Course 881, Engine Management" that:


"The following originally equipped ECMs cannot be flash programmed in service:
– 1998 MY XK8 VIN 020733 – 031302
– 1998 MY XJ8 VIN 819772 – 853935
These vehicles require a new pre-programmed replacement ECM."
The above VIN ranges were mostly 1998 (and probably earlier) having the ECM LNC1410. It appears that this pre-1999 ECM is not programmable and this could be the reason why Mongoose Pro is limited to year 1999 and up, i.e. (in the case of X308) limited to VIN-s higher than 853935. However, LNC1410 ECM continued to be used in SC engines (AJ26) up to VIN 878717 which was until the end of MY1999. If "LNC" ECM-s are not programmable, then the Mongoose Pro may not work on 1999 SC engines (not be able to do anything on the ECM, at least).
Do you think that "Jaguar support" will entertain my query?

 

Try 'em. They might require payment or even that you be someone with a shop and subscription but asking is likely to be free.

 

As I mentioned previously, I use a Mongoose and IDS/SDD for diagnostic work on some '98 X100s/X308s and it communicates with all or most of the modules just fine. It can read not only the Powertrain (P) codes, but also the proprietary Body (B), Chassis (C) and Network (U) codes.

I primarily use SDD V131.03, which reverts to IDS for X100 & X308 systems, but I also have IDS V125.03, which also works on the same cars.

Programming the ECM is another matter entirely, and I haven't tried it.

Cheers,

Don

 

Here is the list of ECMs that can or cannot be 'flash-programmed'.
The info is in SERVICE ACTION TSB 303-35am2.

I remember doing these Service Actions 'back-in-the-day'.
Follow the procedure listed in the Bulletin.

bob

 

Thanks for the document. It appears that ECM-s of 1999 SC Jaguars cannot be flash-programmed.

I have bought a spare used TCM (plus matching key and the key module) for my 1999 Daimler Super V8, same part number as what my car has. In the event that one day I have to replace my original ECM, can I just plug in the used TCM from another car and its key module and move the transponder from the key of the other car to my key? Will it work or will I have to do some kind of programming of the other car's ECM?

 

I just see it says that S479 does not apply to SC cars. That looks to leave open whether their PCM / ECM can be reprogrammed.

hmm, actually I find it too confusing to be sure either way