Gearbox Fault
#21
It's not my fault I've got a gearbox fault message and it's now my problem. I once heard "Ford had a better idea" but this wasn't one of them. Would love to be able to use the dipstick to check levels, color and smell but that ain't gonna happen. Why? Because of some dipstick who eliminated the much needed dipstick i would find useful right about now. Who's fault is this anyways? Answer is It's MY fault and it's me that has to fix it.
Any ideas? Was running great. No jerks, clunks or other tranny related things. I've only just cracked the 50 miles since I've owned it milestone. My brother had recently put 500 miles on it before it needed new timingchain tensioners. That cost him $5,000 for the new metal ones. Dealerships offered to do the timing chain too since they were inside the engine anyways but my brother passed on that. Think the additional 15k was the issue. Now its my car and I'm poor.
Whats the next thing on my Jaguar calendar? What's my next move to remedy this situation. I'm open for any and everything you can toss in. I would like to have it drivable. I've heard they're really nice cars.
😊 Thank you!!
Richard
Any ideas? Was running great. No jerks, clunks or other tranny related things. I've only just cracked the 50 miles since I've owned it milestone. My brother had recently put 500 miles on it before it needed new timingchain tensioners. That cost him $5,000 for the new metal ones. Dealerships offered to do the timing chain too since they were inside the engine anyways but my brother passed on that. Think the additional 15k was the issue. Now its my car and I'm poor.
Whats the next thing on my Jaguar calendar? What's my next move to remedy this situation. I'm open for any and everything you can toss in. I would like to have it drivable. I've heard they're really nice cars.
😊 Thank you!!
Richard
It is also true they can be a very large albatross when they are not properly cared for in
the manner they need to be. Determining that condition could be misleading when having
only receipts in-hand as proof of concept. Needless to say the transmission is one of the
"big-ticket" items which causes many of these otherwise great vehicles to become parts
cars. A twenty year old transmission could be difficult to bring back to "like-new" status
even under the best conditions. So, I am sure your "WOW!" is justified.
#22
Alright stick with rock auto for parts
and sometimes used parts are good too
For now just remove the transmission drain plug and refill to proper level you will need lt71141 equivalent transmission fluid liqui moly have this for reasonable price
Sometimes low fluid can do this there's video on YouTube shows how to refill zf5hp to proper level
Stick with rockauto for parts and get good scan tool
And tool set I hope you can diy it
The engine is not that difficult to work on too
Don't fix in hurry take your time and choose the parts wisely to not spend much . Good luck
and sometimes used parts are good too
For now just remove the transmission drain plug and refill to proper level you will need lt71141 equivalent transmission fluid liqui moly have this for reasonable price
Sometimes low fluid can do this there's video on YouTube shows how to refill zf5hp to proper level
Stick with rockauto for parts and get good scan tool
And tool set I hope you can diy it
The engine is not that difficult to work on too
Don't fix in hurry take your time and choose the parts wisely to not spend much . Good luck
I see i should be adding a pressure relief mod too along with the filter but thats jacking the price too much.
Especially since the p1647 code and whats involved with that. Finally settled on the location being driverside which was depressing.
Starting to think perhaps my brother really didn't like me that much. ): Trans 1st then we'll see who I can rope in to do the sensor. I'd pay to not have to do that one. Any takers??
Last edited by Psycom; 08-13-2024 at 11:44 AM.
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#24
That code is for a bad O2 sensor? Change it and see if it's gone? It's on bank 2 which is the left side of the engine when your sitting in the drivers seat. Here is a thread from our UK friends with more info.
Jaguar Code P1647
One BIG suggestion that has caught a number of people off guard?
FIRST loosen the fill plug BEFORE you drain the transmission fluid! That fill plug is usually really tight too so plan on using a cheater pipe on your Allen wrench.
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Jaguar Code P1647
One BIG suggestion that has caught a number of people off guard?
FIRST loosen the fill plug BEFORE you drain the transmission fluid! That fill plug is usually really tight too so plan on using a cheater pipe on your Allen wrench.
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#25
That code is for a bad O2 sensor? Change it and see if it's gone? It's on bank 2 which is the left side of the engine when your sitting in the drivers seat. Here is a thread from our UK friends with more info.
Jaguar Code P1647
One BIG suggestion that has caught a number of people off guard?
FIRST loosen the fill plug BEFORE you drain the transmission fluid! That fill plug is usually really tight too so plan on using a cheater pipe on your Allen wrench.
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Jaguar Code P1647
One BIG suggestion that has caught a number of people off guard?
FIRST loosen the fill plug BEFORE you drain the transmission fluid! That fill plug is usually really tight too so plan on using a cheater pipe on your Allen wrench.
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After reading 100k to 108k~ is prime time for the A drum failure and at 100,400 I shut her down. Plus the yellow light and gearbox fault message reappears and last check it was on. Shutting off and turning back on didn't clear it this time but no matter it needs serviced so why ask for trouble.
Am also watching my battery closely and am wondering if a newly installed wireless backup camera is getting power when it shouldn't be so I'm about to disconnect that to see what happens. It is the variable I've put into the equation and by coincidence the gearbox fault shows up shortly thereafter. Just did an 800 mile trip without any of that nonsense. Makes one think perhaps theses are related?
Wish me luck!
#26
Still doing the fluid/filter w pres relief valve mod as its overdue. All parts in hand so onwards.
Appreciate your input.
#27
I may be a bit late with this advice but i wouldn't put there anything out of approved fluids list, and certainly not lt71141 Compatible stuff unless of course you love suffering and doing jobs twice
I wouldn't go cheap on filter too, some tend to be noisy and obstruct the flow, if you can't get oem go filtran, people swear by them.
I wouldn't go cheap on filter too, some tend to be noisy and obstruct the flow, if you can't get oem go filtran, people swear by them.
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Don B (08-27-2024)
#28
I may be a bit late with this advice but i wouldn't put there anything out of approved fluids list, and certainly not lt71141 Compatible stuff unless of course you love suffering and doing jobs twice
I wouldn't go cheap on filter too, some tend to be noisy and obstruct the flow, if you can't get oem go filtran, people swear by them.
I wouldn't go cheap on filter too, some tend to be noisy and obstruct the flow, if you can't get oem go filtran, people swear by them.
I can literally hear the slight idle flaw from a cold start that tells me its gonna pull that stunt. Thats likely my p1647 issue but it didn't pull this every time but now its a morning ritual. The other clue was when I'd Shift to reverse when cold, if it banged into gear its a guarantee it'll be in limp mode as soon as I drive off and tranny does its first shift. This too wasn't all the time but now its getting to be.
The baffling part is why does it quit after a couple resets and drive normally all day long after that?? I mean if that sensor is toast it shouldn't come back. Something with the morning wake-up and getting fluid circulated but why? Maybe its low or toasted fluid?? And that's why it's heading to a specialist with a lift and I'll get an answer. At least I'll have fluid checked. And if a change will resolve this its getting done right by someone who works on these cars with the correct fluid. I can use mine in my Fusion so nothing lost.
I see lots of people have lots of miles on these cars and my biggest question is how? How'd my car get to 100k and I can't get another 200 miles on it without it pulling all sorts of crap. Of course the previous 500 miles was just delightful with losing the tensioners and getting stranded. Is there a 100k self destruction mode I'm not aware of???
All that aside what about the waterpump? Just when did they start using better plastic impellers? I wonder what I have? The gernade? I'll do a separate thread on that.
Rtp
#29
When these cars were first manufactured there was a war between the Jaguar
engineers and the Jaguar bean counters. Jaguar leadership wanted the latest,
greatest technology, but the bean counters were afraid of how much of that cost
would be reflected in the sticker price. The end result was a compromise that
is reflected in the longevity of many critical electrical systems. Routine maintenance
addresses many concerns, but the root issue of electrical degradation is apparent
in many forum members postings. That said...I have a Sony Trinitron purchased in
1975 that still works flawlessly....but it doesn't have to go out in the weather.
engineers and the Jaguar bean counters. Jaguar leadership wanted the latest,
greatest technology, but the bean counters were afraid of how much of that cost
would be reflected in the sticker price. The end result was a compromise that
is reflected in the longevity of many critical electrical systems. Routine maintenance
addresses many concerns, but the root issue of electrical degradation is apparent
in many forum members postings. That said...I have a Sony Trinitron purchased in
1975 that still works flawlessly....but it doesn't have to go out in the weather.
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xjack (08-22-2024)
#30
"Is there a 100k self destruction mode I'm not aware of???"
Now, aware you are
jaguar planted quite few traps within, but you are on the right track to have them solved, after that it is pure joy to own.
p0715 seems to refer to gearbox speed sensor failure, easy to do with the pan dropped, which you will at oil change
p1647 oxy sensor failure, it is a bit of adventure to replace, but not the worst job either
Now, aware you are
jaguar planted quite few traps within, but you are on the right track to have them solved, after that it is pure joy to own.
p0715 seems to refer to gearbox speed sensor failure, easy to do with the pan dropped, which you will at oil change
p1647 oxy sensor failure, it is a bit of adventure to replace, but not the worst job either
Last edited by xjack; 08-22-2024 at 01:03 PM.
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#32
That p1647 code. The place i went to and ran from said about $1300 to fix. 😆 🤣 and they said it with a straight face! $635 for fluid and filter change. Obviously neither is gonna happen but I was curious to what I would be expecting as a mere mortal at their mercy. They were honest about it. Said they would want to look at it unless I was ready to drop 5k for another transmission since they don't work on trannys.
#33
p1647 - Denso o2 sensor goes for about 50$ on rockauto, it is recommended to change both, so 100
It is 1hr job if approached from under instead from the top as per jaguar manual
p0715 - get yourself multimeter and test the harness from the module all the way down to gearbox, it may be harness from module to box or harness inside the box or the sensor itself, harness inside the box costs about 100, sensor used maybe 20, you need to add cost of fluid gasket and filter cause you aren't putting back old fluid, fluid 50, filtran filter 30 gasket some spare change
I put mine on blocks of wood of about 7" height, it is about enough space to work under the car without issues
It is 1hr job if approached from under instead from the top as per jaguar manual
p0715 - get yourself multimeter and test the harness from the module all the way down to gearbox, it may be harness from module to box or harness inside the box or the sensor itself, harness inside the box costs about 100, sensor used maybe 20, you need to add cost of fluid gasket and filter cause you aren't putting back old fluid, fluid 50, filtran filter 30 gasket some spare change
I put mine on blocks of wood of about 7" height, it is about enough space to work under the car without issues
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