I didnt ask about a salvage title. And usually cars with over 100,000 miles are exempt from reporting the milage. I didnt notice and repairs under the hood,didnt look in the trunk,if i get approved i will go over it thourghly before signing.But its not looking to good,they cant get us out of the mach1 loan and we dont want 3 car payments.....

 

Since the car is for sale in OR, I checked their dmv rules and apparently a car that is over 10 years old is exempt from odometer readings. So that answers that question.

Sorry to hear you don't think you can get this car. I certainly understand not wanting another car payment. A few years ago I decided that I never want another car payment, so I save up and pay cash -- that's why I drive "old" cars. I would love to have a 2011 XJL, but I'd have to save up for about a billion years! LOL

 

A 2000 XJR for under seven grand - I think I want to cry!

That's a 20K car in Australia.

It's a damn shame you blokes put the steering wheels on the wrong side or that car would be enjoying a boat ride across the Pacific!

Russ

 

Can you not drive our cars there?

 

I did the same. No car, credit card OR house payments. Tired of making bankers rich. I bought an old car and an old small house. Works for me.

 

Check for service records. Has the transmission fluid ever been changed?
If the engine or transmission have been changed what was the mileage?
Seeing regular repairs is actually a good thing.
Make SURE everything works. If it was a minor inexpensive fix, they would
have already done it. Listen to the engine when it is cold. Some noises go
away once it warms up. If nothing has been done to the transmission, I
would take it to a transmission shop you trust and get it serviced. Shops
that do BMW and Mercedes will have experience on the transmission. The
engine will last a long time if you replace the hoses and water pump. The
engine does not tolerate overheating. Start saving $3,000 or so for the
transmission rebuild though.

IF the car has been well maintained the price is fair. Hope it works out.
A car with 90 days or more warranty is a huge plus. Pay extra for that
if you have to.

 

The car has been to too many auctions. It appears that the car was trade-in to Larson Nissan and offered for sale by the dealer. Looks like after lingering in dealer stock for 30 days it was sent to the auction where it was acquired by the current dealer.

White color is a nice touch as not many white XJRs were sold. Interior will need serious recon. Given the car's history I would certainly have the car inspected prior to purchase by a Jag specialist. The price is ok, maybe bring him down to $6k based on the condition of the interior. Also, don't forget to check for the replacement for secondary tensioners. $250 if you do them yourself, from $800 and up if you take it to Jag mechanic.

Personally, I'd pass on the car. Remember, you drive the car and not the price. I would rather find a car with traceable history and full service records. Also, the bad interior will start wearing on you. After all, this is a premium car and should look the part.

 

Edmunds values the car much lower. Hope this link works.

2000 Jaguar XJR Base What's it Worth?

Average condition, dealer retail is $4,988.00

 

Hi 1badcat,

The only way we can legally drive a left hand drive car here is if it is over 30 years old.

Everything else has to be converted to right hand drive. I wouldn't even want to think what would be involved in doing a left to right conversion on a modern Jag!

Cheers,

Russ

 

Its good to keep in mind that Edmunds and KBB are price guides only. The real prices are dictated by the market. Availability, history and condition are important factors to consider and are worth paying extra for.

Its not uncommon for Kelly Blue Book to lag the market as was the case with Japanese cars 6-7 years ago. A good example is the market value of certain motorcycle brands that exceed the RETAIL Kelly Blue Book! It all boils down to supply and demand...

 

Are you kidding me? Used motorcycle prices in the Bay Area are ridiculously high. Stupidly so. The demand really isn't there, people are just dumb enough to pay that much. Kind of like housing prices. When I buy, its typically out of the area, central valley, but even that is becoming "tainted".

 

I think that has more to do with the mind set of the Bay Area. Not much common sense around there... Not including you, btw...

It's just that they make VERY idiotic decisions around there. Dog kennels with private chefs and DVD players to show the dogs movies? Building a Bullet Train at the cost of many Billions of Dollars when EVERYONE says it will not support itself financially, even though California is Bankrupt! etc, etc, etc... The list is LONG for that area.

 

I was making a point that KBB, et. al. are just guides. It also does not apply to motorcycles in general but to specific makes/models. In the car world, the equivelancy would be a low mile Toyota or Honda that tend to go close to retail at dealer auctions.

If the demand was not there the market would adjust themselves. And it's not just the Bay Area. I sold a 2002 BMW R1150 to Florida significantly above retail. It was in 'as new' condition with 8000 mi. The buyer paid shipping on top of that. It wasn't that he didn't know the market but it was the bike he wanted in prestine condition and he was willing to pay for that.

 

And, I was not meaning to say there are only dumb people in the Bay Area, I realize they are everywhere...

I remember when the Pontiac Solstice just came out, my wife was interested. The local dealerships were asking $11,000 OVER invoice due to a shortage of them. Uh, yeah, I'll get right on that. Needless to say, we've never owned an Solstice.

 

To me, records are EVERYTHING. Showing more than one owner (auctions, and such), is a no-no. Bad interior is questionable. If it's like mine was (bad due to AZ sun, and not much leather conditioner (if any!), plus the marks from the child seat),....it's OK. I replaced the whole interior on mine for peanuts (out of the wrecked 20K mile VDP). However,....if the interior looks abused, question is what else was abused?

I certainly don't mind salvage title (wife's Tabby has it). Depending why it was written off by the insurance. Tabby needed a left headlight, new grill, new bumper, new hood, and a radiator, at 90K. They wrote it off for that! 2003 with no issues, and CLEAN. I bought it FIXED for 3500. Now that's a deal. Now I have to find a 2003 XJR like that, and I'm all set!

Back to topic,......I would also pass on the car in the the OP, for all the reasons stated in other posts. I would DEFINITELY pass on ANY vehicle I have to finance. Long gone are the days when I suffered from "Johnson's Syndrome". Don't want to impress anyone, and don't have to please anyone but ME. And "me" likes luxury for CHEAP, and paid for cash that's worth less, every minute as I type this.

 

Especially if your bank decides to steal 40% of everything you have in their buildings. That used to called Grand Theft, but I guess it all depends on who is doing it.

 

Don't even start me there!

I bought a house on the water in AZ (Colorado River) for 850K in 2005. It was appraised at 1,2Mil in the Fall of 2007. A year later in the Fall of 2008, it was appraised at whopping 450K!!!! Bank repoed most of the homes on the river, and sold them for 40 cents on the Dollar (brought the comps in the area even lower). They offered me the "adjustment", down to 770K!!

I offered to pay the third party appraised value, they declined. I offered to redo the mortgage down to 500K, and stay. They refused. I walked, and they sold the house for 325K!!!!

They are all thieves, and it starts on the top in Washington, as far as I am concerned. There WILL be an "open season" on them VERY SOON, and I'll be right there.

 

I sure hope so. I keep thinking that's the only thing to reign in all the corruption happening throughout the government. from city level all the way to the top.

 

OldMike,

I too am looking at a 2000 XJR tomorrow and when I read your comment about deciding to never again make another car payment. I feel the same way. I would much rather drive an older model quality Jaguar then make payments on a still depreciating car. It is just a preference but I like cash.

Happy motoring....

Jason

 

I agree that paying dealer mark up is not on the smartest things to do lists. The only benefit you get is you'll be the only one on the block, area, city, state, etc. to have one. That status will dissipate sooner than later.

However, paying premium for a super clean well maintained used car or motorcycle is different. Especially on limited production models. The used car factory usually will not build one to order.

For example, Edmunds indicates a private party price for a 96 XJR in clean condition with 86k miles as $4385. I've been keeping an eye out for one and I can tell you that a clean XJR6 with such miles, fully serviced and with records, 1/2 owners will be closer to $6k. I would be a player at $5k. But is that more than Edmunds guide? Does that mean I'm stupid enough to overpay? No, it just means that I'm not in the junk business and see value in a well cared machinery. Well maintained cars will have fewer surprises and cause fewer frustrations. They, just like any used cars will have their issues but something that would be more manageable. That's why they fetch good money. Because you can pay now or you will pay later.