I'm pretty sure I have water in my gas. How to drain the tank??
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When the valve seat deteriorates (A Basic Guide To Engine Valve Failure | Southside Cylinder Heads, Engine Reconditioning Australia) then the valve itself begins failing as oil seeps by the stem, unless you think all valve seats are the same?
I have no faults with E-anything, but if your motor wasn't designed for it, it will cause failure (http://www.fuel-testers.com/list_e10_engine_damage.html). For example, E15 is designed for cars after 2001, so those prior would experience issues almost assuredly. Very similar to when lead was taken out of gas in the 70's. I'm not saying every motor will ultimately fail, I'm saying it will create issues in motors not designed for it.
Since you were in such a hurry to write your comment. Ethanol comes in a harder than rubber type plastic container, 2 different substances.
I have no faults with E-anything, but if your motor wasn't designed for it, it will cause failure (http://www.fuel-testers.com/list_e10_engine_damage.html). For example, E15 is designed for cars after 2001, so those prior would experience issues almost assuredly. Very similar to when lead was taken out of gas in the 70's. I'm not saying every motor will ultimately fail, I'm saying it will create issues in motors not designed for it.
Since you were in such a hurry to write your comment. Ethanol comes in a harder than rubber type plastic container, 2 different substances.
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TreVoRTasmin (06-12-2016)
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Regardless of anyone's posturing, ethanol is at the
root of many problems.
Even the refiners and pipelines know this.
There are certain pipelines where fuel with ethanol
content is not permitted.
Tank farms have to be sure that the pumps are specifically
rated for ethanol.
The list goes on, and on, and on.
Some people just don't care, and that's fine.
But, they shouldn't deny that ethanol has certain
properties or flog others for actually noticing facts.
root of many problems.
Even the refiners and pipelines know this.
There are certain pipelines where fuel with ethanol
content is not permitted.
Tank farms have to be sure that the pumps are specifically
rated for ethanol.
The list goes on, and on, and on.
Some people just don't care, and that's fine.
But, they shouldn't deny that ethanol has certain
properties or flog others for actually noticing facts.
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xjay8 (06-12-2016)
#23
When the valve seat deteriorates (A Basic Guide To Engine Valve Failure | Southside Cylinder Heads, Engine Reconditioning Australia) then the valve itself begins failing as oil seeps by the stem, unless you think all valve seats are the same?
I have no faults with E-anything, but if your motor wasn't designed for it, it will cause failure (List: E10 Engine Damage & Performance Issues.).
[QUOTE=Highhorse;1479452 Very similar to when lead was taken out of gas in the 70's.[/QUOTE]
Nothing in common whatsoever, other than 99% of the doom and gloom predicted just never materialized.
It is true that ethanol in gas is an example of business mixed with politics, but the technical objections commonly discussed don't hold uhhh, water.
I've been using E10 since about 1990, never had a moments trouble with it. Other here have been using it since the 80s.
#24
I see y'all have never worked on engines from the 60's-70's....believe what you want, you probably wouldn't believe it if you did the test yourself. Perhaps you'll believe Popular Mechanics... E15 and Engines - Can Ethanol Damage my Engine ...Oh wait, that's another one of those snake charmers trying to scam you. If y'all can provide me with some tests proving otherwise, I'd be happy to read them. Other than that, all I have is your word and a hollow statement.
I didn't start the argument, I was only attempting to prevent future repair issues in my statement and agreeing with another member regarding the adding of more ethanol.
I also don't get this chip on the shoulder thing when trying to be cautious and turning it into an ethanol argument? We're supposed to be supporting one another with Jag issues, not sticking a finger in the other persons eye.
I didn't start the argument, I was only attempting to prevent future repair issues in my statement and agreeing with another member regarding the adding of more ethanol.
I also don't get this chip on the shoulder thing when trying to be cautious and turning it into an ethanol argument? We're supposed to be supporting one another with Jag issues, not sticking a finger in the other persons eye.
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Actually yes I have- starting when they were brand new, and up to and including today. Never seen any of the sky is falling damage the scare mongers describe.
More dogma that's yet to be proven. What's E15 got to do with the OP's problem anyway? He didn't fill his tank with it.
Actually, yes you did with a claim that ethanol damages valves.
FTFY.
Perhaps you'll believe Popular Mechanics... E15 and Engines - Can...
Actually, yes you did with a claim that ethanol damages valves.
#26
Went out to drive my XJR today and start it up it starts fine then goes to a horrible 500rpm idle has been 2-3 weeks since I last drove her). After a few minutes I finally get some codes. It is misfiring on all cylinders. I had a clogged drain in the fill flap a few weeks back so I figured I'd have a look. Bingo, it is filled again and sitting right about the level of the cap. Nfo real rain for 3 days. I figured out that my clog was actually a burn where the drain hose must have come into contact with the exhaust so It was plugged up again. Question is how do I get 3/4 of a tank of bad gas out? Looking for suggestions. Can I pull the fuel filter and then turn the car to on and have it drain or will that not turn the pump on? Thanks for the help. Stupid, lazy me should have diagnosed a bit better.
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#28
All well that ends well, thanks for the update!
#29
Glad to hear that Trevor....
I seriously want this cleared up, because my intensions were never aimed at an argument. If it was taken that way I apologize....my intensions were to show there are known consequences to certain procedures. None of what I posted was to be said as absolute, they were examples of testing, like I stated (and seemingly ignored) I have no issues with E-anything, I tend to err on the side of caution and if I failed to portray that (so it seems), then I again apologize.
Actually yes I have- starting when they were brand new, and up to and including today. Never seen any of the sky is falling damage the scare mongers describe.
More dogma that's yet to be proven. What's E15 got to do with the OP's problem anyway? He didn't fill his tank with it.
Actually, yes you did with a claim that ethanol damages valves.
FTFY.
More dogma that's yet to be proven. What's E15 got to do with the OP's problem anyway? He didn't fill his tank with it.
Actually, yes you did with a claim that ethanol damages valves.
FTFY.
#30
The internet is full of bad info and scammers.
#31
Highhorse:
And I believe what you are saying which is exactly why I jumped you pretty hard- including the assumption that you were repeating what you heard. As Mikey says, there is just too much bad info that gets repeated by otherwise credible folks and becomes mainstream. Then others make decisions on the "legends". Very little of what happened in a Model A Ford engine, or a 1969 455 Chevy big block is relevant to my Jaguar AJ26 V8.
And I believe what you are saying which is exactly why I jumped you pretty hard- including the assumption that you were repeating what you heard. As Mikey says, there is just too much bad info that gets repeated by otherwise credible folks and becomes mainstream. Then others make decisions on the "legends". Very little of what happened in a Model A Ford engine, or a 1969 455 Chevy big block is relevant to my Jaguar AJ26 V8.
#32
Highhorse:
And I believe what you are saying which is exactly why I jumped you pretty hard- including the assumption that you were repeating what you heard. As Mikey says, there is just too much bad info that gets repeated by otherwise credible folks and becomes mainstream. Then others make decisions on the "legends". Very little of what happened in a Model A Ford engine, or a 1969 455 Chevy big block is relevant to my Jaguar AJ26 V8.
And I believe what you are saying which is exactly why I jumped you pretty hard- including the assumption that you were repeating what you heard. As Mikey says, there is just too much bad info that gets repeated by otherwise credible folks and becomes mainstream. Then others make decisions on the "legends". Very little of what happened in a Model A Ford engine, or a 1969 455 Chevy big block is relevant to my Jaguar AJ26 V8.
As is often the case....if something is repeated often enough and loud
enough, it becomes gospel ;o]
#33
I appreciate y'all, but my views on this go back to the 70's and my first car being a 73 Nova with the ol' 250 straight six (later a pair of 67 Mustangs a 69 Mustang and a 79 Bronco). One of the first things I had to do was the valve seats on her (amongst other things) and those were the old rubber seats. Not like now where its a pressed seat, but that was my view of the differences first hand.
Either case, we're good.... Cheers!
Either case, we're good.... Cheers!
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#36
Yep, so correct, I did the guide seals and my friends dad let me help with a couple of the seats to say. They were worn from what was considered many miles (about 85k if I recall) back then. He thought it may had been overheated, the seals were brittle.. He showed me where the oil had varnished on a couple stems and I was lucky it didn't burn a valve. I'm not saying this is from unleaded fuel, just a first experience with a valve train.
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