XJ XJ8 / XJR ( X308 ) 1997 - 2003

Leaper or no leaper?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #21  
Old 01-27-2014, 08:39 PM
smtguy's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
Posts: 536
Received 58 Likes on 51 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Doug
If you think Jaguar soul and character is "frou-frou" in nature, and is enhanced by gee-gaws then, yes, by all means go for the leaper !

No harm intended. Just fueling the fire a little


Cheers
DD
Oh well, what do you expect from a guy that doesn't know well enough to come in out of the rain...
 
  #22  
Old 01-27-2014, 08:48 PM
xjrmageddon's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 82
Received 31 Likes on 22 Posts
Default Leaper.

I like my leaper... I think it's classy.

Funny enough, the leaper is all I have left from my first XJR. When I got sandwiched, my leaper managed to bite its teeth into the SUV in front of me, breaking away and embedding itself into her bumper.

As I was walking away from my sadly destroyed car, I reached out and grabbed the leaper, plucking it free. Have had it on my desk as a paperweight over the last few months since the accident .

I suppose its a good backup for my current XJR.
 
The following users liked this post:
Johnny_B (08-07-2016)
  #23  
Old 01-28-2014, 01:32 AM
Doug's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pacific Northwest USA
Posts: 24,846
Received 10,899 Likes on 7,164 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by smtguy
Oh well, what do you expect from a guy that doesn't know well enough to come in out of the rain...

"....doesn't know well enough to come in out of the rain..." ? I don't get what you're referring to. <shrug>


Cheers
DD
 
  #24  
Old 02-02-2014, 12:41 PM
Ronco1's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Boston
Posts: 129
Received 25 Likes on 17 Posts
Default muted elegance

To me , the leaper is every bit as iconic as the "winged lady" on a Rolls Royce. It tastefully , instantly and unmistakeably identifies the car as "a Jaguar". Its absence on late model Jags is a testimonial as to how out of control "politically correct" the UK has become when a bunch of far left loons demanded its removal because it was " a safety hazard" ?? Does it get any loonier than that?

One of the great things about a jaguar is its understated elegance . ie no garish fender emblems emblazoned with "V8 supercharged blah blah ". Aside from the Jaguar and XJR low key plaques on the rear , without the leaper most people would say " What a gorgeous car. What is it?" The legendary and iconic "leaper" answers that question immediately.
My 2003 has the best of both worlds.... the leaper and the silver growling jaguar "face" on the front of its hood.....

The British and the Germans have almost barbaric tastes ( which I enjoy) when it comes to emblems and motifs ........
Who else would put an incredibly nasty picture of a vicious looking sabre toothed wild boar on a Gordon's gin bottle ? The vicious , snarling "cat face" on the front of a Jaguar is not a whole lot different
 

Last edited by Ronco1; 02-02-2014 at 12:56 PM.
The following 2 users liked this post by Ronco1:
al_roethlisberger (09-08-2015), King Charles (09-08-2015)
  #25  
Old 02-02-2014, 01:29 PM
Doug's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pacific Northwest USA
Posts: 24,846
Received 10,899 Likes on 7,164 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ronco1
To me , the leaper is every bit as iconic as the "winged lady" on a Rolls Royce. It tastefully , instantly and unmistakeably identifies the car as "a Jaguar". Its absence on late model Jags is a testimonial as to how out of control "politically correct" the UK has become when a bunch of far left loons demanded its removal because it was " a safety hazard" ?? Does it get any loonier than that?


Yes, but it isn't just 'late model' Jags. Long, long before regulations and political correctness Jaguar was very selective about using the leaper.

Let's review history.

Among the models NOT factory fitted with the leaper are....

XK120-140-150 (1948-1961)
E-type (1961 -1975)
XJS (1975-1996)
Ser I-II-III sedans (1968 -1992)
XJ40 sedans (1986-1994)

The leaper was optional at extra cost on the X300 cars. (1995-1997)

Not sure about X308 and later.

It might be that Jaguar was just being cheap. (always possible with Jaguar)

Or it might be that they decided that a leaper didn't look right on *every* Jaguar. (good thinking, IMHO )

Or perhaps they felt that a Jaguar could be recognized as a Jaguar without the extra adornment. (true in most cases, perhaps more 'then' than 'now', though)


One of the great things about a jaguar is its understated elegance
My 2003 has the best of both worlds.... the leaper and the silver growling jaguar "face" on the front of its hood.....


A person might say that having one or the other is sufficient, and that having BOTH moves away from 'understated' and leans towards 'overstated'.

I really don't expect to convince anyone of anything. If you love leapers, you love leapers. If you don't, you don't

Cheers
DD
 
  #26  
Old 02-02-2014, 06:11 PM
MidwestJag's Avatar
Veteran member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Wisconsin, United States
Posts: 1,444
Received 329 Likes on 258 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Doug

Among the models NOT factory fitted with the leaper are....

XK120-140-150 (1948-1961)
E-type (1961 -1975)
XJS (1975-1996)
Ser I-II-III sedans (1968 -1992)
XJ40 sedans (1986-1994)
Doug:
Both XJ40s I have owned had/have leapers, along with most of the US spec cars I've ever seen or can be found on Ebay, etc. I always had the impression (probably wrong) that if you bought an XJ40 off the lot it would come with one unless you requested otherwise! So I"m guessing it was an optional extra for those years as well.

Also, don't you think that Americans in particular seem to be especially fond of their hood ornaments? I've seen a few new XJs with leapers, which to me seems more out of place than on my X308...

That said, I like 'em on both my cars.
Scott
 
  #27  
Old 02-03-2014, 12:47 AM
Doug's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pacific Northwest USA
Posts: 24,846
Received 10,899 Likes on 7,164 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MidwestJag
Doug:
Both XJ40s I have owned had/have leapers, along with most of the US spec cars I've ever seen or can be found on Ebay, etc. I always had the impression (probably wrong) that if you bought an XJ40 off the lot it would come with one unless you requested otherwise! So I"m guessing it was an optional extra for those years as well.

They're added on, either by owners or dealers. Very popular.



Also, don't you think that Americans in particular seem to be especially fond of their hood ornaments?

Indeed, indeed !

Other styling features that we're fond of, now or in the past, are gold plated emblems and/or "gold packages', "Brougham" trim packages, anything that says "special edition", opera lights, mud flaps with chrome naked ladies, padded tops, faux convertible tops......

I think you can see where I headed with this

I'm not saying that leapers are as gaudy and utterly tasteless as some of the examples I just mentioned. But that's sorta what I think of when I see 'em. I just have an aversion to them, that's all.

It's just me. Pay no mind

Cheers
DD
 
The following users liked this post:
MidwestJag (02-03-2014)
  #28  
Old 02-03-2014, 02:08 PM
Ronco1's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Boston
Posts: 129
Received 25 Likes on 17 Posts
Default Qualified my remarks

Some valid points have been made. Yes. On some of the smaller models of the Jaguar, the leaper , probably because of its sheer size, does not look quite right.

That said, the larger "land cruiser saloons" models look naked without the leaper. The fact remains is that the leaper is so 'cool" its probably the most stolen part off Jaguars world wide.
 
  #29  
Old 02-03-2014, 05:06 PM
xjrmageddon's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 82
Received 31 Likes on 22 Posts
Default ...

When I park my XJR somewhere, I'm not worried in the slightest about the car being stolen, I'm worried about some kid viciously ripping the leaper off the hood.

Not so much because of the cost of the leaper, but because I've seen the damage people do to hoods when they rip it off .

Anyway, I do agree that the long saloons are naked without it. On an x-type, I'd say it looks silly. On an x308? It's a necessary part of the car. I don't mind it on the newer ones either, although that's a BIT more debatable... https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...arrived-61867/

It looks good though, imho.
 

Last edited by xjrmageddon; 02-03-2014 at 05:14 PM.
The following users liked this post:
al_roethlisberger (09-08-2015)
  #30  
Old 02-05-2014, 01:45 PM
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Karmøy, Norway
Posts: 49
Received 16 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

No leaper on my X308, and I don't want one either. It just ruins the curves of the bonnet.
 
  #31  
Old 02-05-2014, 02:11 PM
Ronco1's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Boston
Posts: 129
Received 25 Likes on 17 Posts
Default Opinions vary

Its why they have menus in restaurants
 
The following users liked this post:
al_roethlisberger (09-08-2015)
  #32  
Old 09-08-2015, 04:53 PM
al_roethlisberger's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Sanford, NC
Posts: 3,750
Received 675 Likes on 496 Posts
Thumbs up I like 'em on the traditional sedans.

Went and looked out the window at my 97 XJR in the lot with its factory leaper.... yep, looks good





Lots of good points, and valid personal opinions. But I think it is very Jaguar, and is right at home

.
 
The following users liked this post:
King Charles (09-08-2015)
  #33  
Old 09-08-2015, 05:01 PM
King Charles's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: North Carolina,USA
Posts: 4,511
Received 1,021 Likes on 741 Posts
Default

Obligatory IMHO.
 

Last edited by King Charles; 09-08-2015 at 05:06 PM.
  #34  
Old 09-08-2015, 08:05 PM
bdboyle's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Morrisville PA
Posts: 645
Received 164 Likes on 113 Posts
Default I love my kitty

On the hood of my 308, that is. It is, to me, a statement of the car's provenance. And a reminder that it may weigh a little less than a small moon, still proceeds down the road, cat like, while lesser cars struggle to keep all 4 wheels on the ground pointed in the same direction.

That being said, with my XF, it would look totally out of place and ruin the lines of the hood.

So, it depends. I have two cats in the driveway. On one, it's almost obligatory. On the other, out of place. So, you CAN have it both ways.

 
  #35  
Old 09-08-2015, 10:14 PM
andrew lowe's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: croydon uk
Posts: 1,996
Received 413 Likes on 318 Posts
Default

If you have a leaper on a US Jaguar saloon, from 1994-2001, and it is the safety mascot, 122 mm long with the spring mounting, it is not a UK Jaguar part!


It was commissioned by Jaguar Cars Inc (US) and was made by a small company (Kennedy Inc) in Rhode Island.
 
  #36  
Old 09-09-2015, 05:25 AM
wcourt3010's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Toronto
Posts: 72
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

My five year old loves the leaper on my xj8, couldn't get rid of it until she's what ten? I think the leaper just above the growler is redundant though.
 
  #37  
Old 09-09-2015, 09:14 AM
jackra_1's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 6,264
Received 1,756 Likes on 1,327 Posts
Default

I grew to dislike the "Leaper" on my XJR and installed a Supercharged badge instead.
 
Attached Thumbnails Leaper or no leaper?-p1060891.jpg  
  #38  
Old 09-09-2015, 03:13 PM
al_roethlisberger's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Sanford, NC
Posts: 3,750
Received 675 Likes on 496 Posts
Default

Now, one thing I like less is the combination of both growler on the grill and leaper on the hood.... a bit busy and superfluous.

I think one or the other works better, but it is what it is as we didn't get that option as all the grills have the growler




If you have a leaper on a US Jaguar saloon, from 1994-2001, and it is the safety mascot, 122 mm long with the spring mounting, it is not a UK Jaguar part!


It was commissioned by Jaguar Cars Inc (US) and was made by a small company (Kennedy Inc) in Rhode Island.

Regardless, I've yet to see a US X300 or X308 without a leaper from the dealer, not to say there aren't any, but it does seem to be more the norm than the exception. So I think most US owners would consider the leaper "factory" and typical on that series of cars versus an option.

.
 
  #39  
Old 09-10-2015, 04:12 PM
buckshaw's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 54
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Just had to chime in here.
I cannot imagine my 2001 VDP S/C without a leaper! I, (and all my real friends) think it says it all! I'm even contemplating putting one on the boot; rear facing of course. However, that would probably prevent me from installing a pedestal trunk spoiler at some later date!
Cheers!
 
  #40  
Old 09-11-2015, 09:14 AM
XJDanny's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Tulalip, Washington USA
Posts: 1,025
Received 269 Likes on 145 Posts
Default

I LOVE the leapers I have on my X308 and XJS. I can't imagine not having them, especially on my XJR. I like driving down the road and lifting my head up a little and watching the leaper cruise down the road. I know, it's a little obsessive. :-)

The leaper on my XJS is a small version, about a third the size as the one on the XJR. A regular size one would look out of place, I think. I didn't install it, the previous owner did. And I'm glad the previous owner removed the growler badge when installing the leaper. Having both looks awful.

I agree with others, the leaper looks out of place on some Jags, especially the new models. I've seen them installed in new XJ's and I can't decide if I like it or not.
 


Quick Reply: Leaper or no leaper?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:04 AM.