Stop lights & key fob not working
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So with power on pin 1 of the stop light relay and the 3rd breake light working you have a good stop light relay closing and this confirms the brake switch and ground path through the ignition switch
This confirms you have the grounding trigger to the SLCM at pin BT2 - 1
So your signal on your meter should go to zero with pedal depressed at pin 1 when the SLCM connector is connected
The SLCM will be putting a voltage out on pin 1 as a feeler seeking a ground
This voltage should be B + or 12 volts DC but it can be less
This confirms you have the grounding trigger to the SLCM at pin BT2 - 1
So your signal on your meter should go to zero with pedal depressed at pin 1 when the SLCM connector is connected
The SLCM will be putting a voltage out on pin 1 as a feeler seeking a ground
This voltage should be B + or 12 volts DC but it can be less
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-28-2022 at 12:13 PM.
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with the connector removed pin / socket BT1 3 through the connector / bulb / ground path will read the resistance of the bulb
So 18 ohms may be the resistance of the bulb if removed and tested alone
But there is a history of the ground being bad after the bulb in the lamp assembly
A limited ground quality at that point other then the bulb resistance would give you a indication on the instrument cluster and possible low illumination of the bulb
Have to ask if the correct bulb and if manufactured correctly ( cheap source )
So 18 ohms may be the resistance of the bulb if removed and tested alone
But there is a history of the ground being bad after the bulb in the lamp assembly
A limited ground quality at that point other then the bulb resistance would give you a indication on the instrument cluster and possible low illumination of the bulb
Have to ask if the correct bulb and if manufactured correctly ( cheap source )
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-28-2022 at 12:48 PM.
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Is relay #5 only for the high level brake light?
Yes and trailer light which is not being looked at at this time
So we are looking at the output at the SLCU at pin BT1 - 3 and 9 with the connectors installed so maybe the center pin on the bulb socket
You hade some values above
Yes and trailer light which is not being looked at at this time
So we are looking at the output at the SLCU at pin BT1 - 3 and 9 with the connectors installed so maybe the center pin on the bulb socket
You hade some values above
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-28-2022 at 12:55 PM.
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with the connector removed pin / socket BT1 3 through the connector / bulb / ground path will read the resistance of the bulb
So 18 ohms may be the resistance of the bulb if removed and tested alone
But there is a history of the ground being bad after the bulb in the lamp assembly
A limited ground quality at that point other then the bulb resistance would give you a indication on the instrument cluster and possible low illumination of the bulb
Have to ask if the correct bulb and if manufactured correctly ( cheap source )
So 18 ohms may be the resistance of the bulb if removed and tested alone
But there is a history of the ground being bad after the bulb in the lamp assembly
A limited ground quality at that point other then the bulb resistance would give you a indication on the instrument cluster and possible low illumination of the bulb
Have to ask if the correct bulb and if manufactured correctly ( cheap source )
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This confirms you have the grounding trigger to the SLCM at pin BT2 - 1
So your signal on your meter should go to zero with pedal depressed at pin 1 when the SLCM connector is connected
The SLCM will be putting a voltage out on pin 1 as a feeler seeking a ground
This voltage should be B + or 12 volts DC but it can be less
So your signal on your meter should go to zero with pedal depressed at pin 1 when the SLCM connector is connected
The SLCM will be putting a voltage out on pin 1 as a feeler seeking a ground
This voltage should be B + or 12 volts DC but it can be less
Last edited by LockNumber25; 01-29-2022 at 08:14 AM.
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I took a look at this thread and followed some of the steps mentioned here.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...module-239469/
Specifically:
SLCM disconnected case open - Continuity from SLCM connector OY to SLCM relay chip leg 4 as marked; continuity yes
Disconnected from SLCM and light assembly; OY checked from SLCM connector to ground; continuity no
Disconnected from SLCM and light assembly; OY checked from light assembly connector to ground; continuity no
SLCM connected case open, car battery connected, ignition on position 2; 12V sensed at each of the three relay chips
I wasn't able to check that the bulb would light using an external battery. but I do have continuity.
Last test:
With the SLCM open and everything connected, check the voltages on the pin marked on the picture when the brake lights are "off" and when they are "on". When the brakes are "off", there should be no voltage on the pin or there could be some small voltage. When the brakes are "on", you should see a voltage of some 5V or 12V or some in-between. If there is no such voltage on the pin with the brake pedal pressed, then the problem is not in the chip but elsewhere in the SLCM. If, however, you see a voltage change to 5-12V on the pin (but the right stop light does not come on), then the problem is in that chip and it will need to be replaced.
I saw 4.5v on the pin with brake peddle pressed & 0.0v when released. So.... the chips faulty?
Correction. I saw 0.2v on the pin with the peddle pressed.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...module-239469/
Specifically:
SLCM disconnected case open - Continuity from SLCM connector OY to SLCM relay chip leg 4 as marked; continuity yes
Disconnected from SLCM and light assembly; OY checked from SLCM connector to ground; continuity no
Disconnected from SLCM and light assembly; OY checked from light assembly connector to ground; continuity no
SLCM connected case open, car battery connected, ignition on position 2; 12V sensed at each of the three relay chips
I wasn't able to check that the bulb would light using an external battery. but I do have continuity.
Last test:
With the SLCM open and everything connected, check the voltages on the pin marked on the picture when the brake lights are "off" and when they are "on". When the brakes are "off", there should be no voltage on the pin or there could be some small voltage. When the brakes are "on", you should see a voltage of some 5V or 12V or some in-between. If there is no such voltage on the pin with the brake pedal pressed, then the problem is not in the chip but elsewhere in the SLCM. If, however, you see a voltage change to 5-12V on the pin (but the right stop light does not come on), then the problem is in that chip and it will need to be replaced.
Correction. I saw 0.2v on the pin with the peddle pressed.
Last edited by LockNumber25; 01-29-2022 at 11:07 AM.
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#31
The brake switch and ground path through the ignition switch ( run position but not started ) can be tested as resistance on the meter with the SLCM connector removed at pin BT2 - 1 ( orange / green wire )
Don't use a mini volt meter but a larger one powered by a 9 volt battery . A mini is lacking omf or power to get a good resistance reading
The same can be seen at the stop lamp relay ( removed ) at socket 2 but with SLCM connector off
But since you do get the 3rd center light you can assume the ground path to the SLCM at pin BT2 -1 is the same and good enough
The reading may not be a perfect Zero but close enough
Your meter ground ( black lead ) can be at any good point on the car frame and there are a couple of ground stud post other then the battery negative terminal which is still a good point just longer reach maybe
WiFi keeps going in and out
We may be getting the BT2 - 1 position mixed up
Don't use a mini volt meter but a larger one powered by a 9 volt battery . A mini is lacking omf or power to get a good resistance reading
The same can be seen at the stop lamp relay ( removed ) at socket 2 but with SLCM connector off
But since you do get the 3rd center light you can assume the ground path to the SLCM at pin BT2 -1 is the same and good enough
The reading may not be a perfect Zero but close enough
Your meter ground ( black lead ) can be at any good point on the car frame and there are a couple of ground stud post other then the battery negative terminal which is still a good point just longer reach maybe
WiFi keeps going in and out
We may be getting the BT2 - 1 position mixed up
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-29-2022 at 12:19 PM.
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The brake switch and ground path through the ignition switch ( run position but not started ) can be tested as resistance on the meter with the SLCM connector removed at pin BT2 - 1 ( orange / green wire )
My BT2-1 has is O (picture of connector above with numbered pins) - Checking resistance to battery neg terminal is 14 Ohms and doesn't change with brake peddle
Bulb socket side of the socket ground path close to zero resistance to car frame ?
11 Ohms with battery connected to negative strap
0 with battery disconnected and going straight to negative strap
My BT2-1 has is O (picture of connector above with numbered pins) - Checking resistance to battery neg terminal is 14 Ohms and doesn't change with brake peddle
Bulb socket side of the socket ground path close to zero resistance to car frame ?
11 Ohms with battery connected to negative strap
0 with battery disconnected and going straight to negative strap
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