Stop lights & key fob not working
#43
Much more likely my lack of understanding. I do really appreciate your expertise and patience.
There is an outstanding question on whether the SLCM is getting a ground trigger on BT2-1, when I tested this (by measuring resistance between BT2-1 and battery earth strap) I saw no change on brake peddle press where it remains at 18 Ohms at all times, would we not expect this pin to go to close to 0 on peddle press?
In addition I do not see 12v on the relay chip when the brake is pressed, which I believe is the trigger side of the relay for the stop lights.
So it seems the SLCM is not getting the signal from the brake light press?
There is an outstanding question on whether the SLCM is getting a ground trigger on BT2-1, when I tested this (by measuring resistance between BT2-1 and battery earth strap) I saw no change on brake peddle press where it remains at 18 Ohms at all times, would we not expect this pin to go to close to 0 on peddle press?
In addition I do not see 12v on the relay chip when the brake is pressed, which I believe is the trigger side of the relay for the stop lights.
So it seems the SLCM is not getting the signal from the brake light press?
#45
Yes they would be 2 separate connectors
Can you identify the wire color orange / green
Socket 1 should be in one of the corners of the connector
It is the same wire that closes the stop lamp relay to give your 3rd brake light . and you have that
unless the wire was cut or bad splice at BTS10
The big connector above the fuel tank as BT4 Pin 18 is a pain to get back reconnected . you have to be careful to not break the lock pins for the lock over bar , there should be a tie wrap on the lock over bar
But is good enough to close the stop lamp relay ,
Using a car frame ground stud is the resistance from socket 2 of the removed relay the same as the resistance at BT2 - 1 with that connector off and the probe on that socket 1
They should be as close as can be to zero
will be out today doing some medical imaging
Can you identify the wire color orange / green
Socket 1 should be in one of the corners of the connector
It is the same wire that closes the stop lamp relay to give your 3rd brake light . and you have that
unless the wire was cut or bad splice at BTS10
The big connector above the fuel tank as BT4 Pin 18 is a pain to get back reconnected . you have to be careful to not break the lock pins for the lock over bar , there should be a tie wrap on the lock over bar
But is good enough to close the stop lamp relay ,
Using a car frame ground stud is the resistance from socket 2 of the removed relay the same as the resistance at BT2 - 1 with that connector off and the probe on that socket 1
They should be as close as can be to zero
will be out today doing some medical imaging
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-30-2022 at 09:30 AM.
#47
Found the mythical BT2-1 OG wire and tested resistance (battery connected, SLCM disconnected, battery earth strap)
Brake off: no circuit
Brake on - BT2-1: 130 Ohms
Brake on - socket 2 removed relay: 82 Ohms
I guess 82 Ohms is low enough to switch the physical relay, so is the question 'Is 130 Ohms low enough for the ground trigger going into the SLCM and why are they so different?'
Brake off: no circuit
Brake on - BT2-1: 130 Ohms
Brake on - socket 2 removed relay: 82 Ohms
I guess 82 Ohms is low enough to switch the physical relay, so is the question 'Is 130 Ohms low enough for the ground trigger going into the SLCM and why are they so different?'
Last edited by LockNumber25; 01-30-2022 at 02:21 PM.
#48
No , something not right with 130 ohms
Stop lamp relay socket # 2 to car frame ground ( relay removed ) of 82 is still high there but it works to close the relay
This relay is closing since you have the 3rd stop light and this socket # 2 would be a comparison to the BT2 - 1 as they are the same OG wire ground path
The resistance value should be close to zero, but not perfect
The waring out part is the brake switch and there are 2 switches inside 1 brake switch assembly
Pin X and Y
Someone had a excellent picture
Next we will look at the ignition switch ground path , easy
The large BT4 connector pin 18 above the fuel tank OK ? Do not try too hard to close the connector lock over bar
The sheet metal cutout can prevent the connector from closing together fully
Stop lamp relay socket # 2 to car frame ground ( relay removed ) of 82 is still high there but it works to close the relay
This relay is closing since you have the 3rd stop light and this socket # 2 would be a comparison to the BT2 - 1 as they are the same OG wire ground path
The resistance value should be close to zero, but not perfect
The waring out part is the brake switch and there are 2 switches inside 1 brake switch assembly
Pin X and Y
Someone had a excellent picture
Next we will look at the ignition switch ground path , easy
The large BT4 connector pin 18 above the fuel tank OK ? Do not try too hard to close the connector lock over bar
The sheet metal cutout can prevent the connector from closing together fully
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-31-2022 at 11:10 AM.
#51
If it gets to it here is some info on the brake switch
Brake Light Switch - Jaguar Forums - Jaguar Enthusiasts Forum
And the ignition switch , just the small U shape cover comes off under the steering column and the switch does not need to be remove but just the 5 wire connector 6 inches away
If the ignition switch is bad it separates from the key barrel, so no new key needed
Easy again
Your pins on the ignition switch connector with the connector removed are 3 and 5 with the key rotated to the run position
This pin 3 is deferent then the key rotation position 2 on the print
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Brake Light Switch - Jaguar Forums - Jaguar Enthusiasts Forum
And the ignition switch , just the small U shape cover comes off under the steering column and the switch does not need to be remove but just the 5 wire connector 6 inches away
If the ignition switch is bad it separates from the key barrel, so no new key needed
Easy again
Your pins on the ignition switch connector with the connector removed are 3 and 5 with the key rotated to the run position
This pin 3 is deferent then the key rotation position 2 on the print
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Last edited by Parker 7; 01-31-2022 at 12:52 PM.
#53
That one is different then mine
Can you isolate the OG color wire?
Ford changed over some of the connector parts, and someone posted a connector part # list PDF to reference this one item
Again # 1 should be in the corner of the 4 possibilities and this excludes the 6 larger high current pins / sockets as those are labeled as A , B , C and on
look for a socket being pushed back not able to make contact
You can tug on the OG wire to see if it is locked in place to make good contact
Can you isolate the OG color wire?
Ford changed over some of the connector parts, and someone posted a connector part # list PDF to reference this one item
Again # 1 should be in the corner of the 4 possibilities and this excludes the 6 larger high current pins / sockets as those are labeled as A , B , C and on
look for a socket being pushed back not able to make contact
You can tug on the OG wire to see if it is locked in place to make good contact
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-31-2022 at 01:12 PM.
#56
I'm guessing at pin #'s but it works out for an OG wire on 18 (there are 3 OG wires). Assuming I've found the correct OG and pin #18 then BT4-18 has great continuity to BT2-1 (0.2 - as good as meter prob to prob)
So now you need to look forward
The ignition switch should be the same and can be checked easiest
look for corrosion in the ignition switch connector
The pin 5 on the car side of the connector half is a car frame ground and this can get disturbed if tinkering behind the dash
The car side half of the connector lifts straight up to remove from the mount to bring the work out to you
So you want to read the pin 5 car side half resistance to car frame ground , the switch is out of the picture in this section
Next we will be looking at the switch side half of the connector
So now you need to look forward
The ignition switch should be the same and can be checked easiest
look for corrosion in the ignition switch connector
The pin 5 on the car side of the connector half is a car frame ground and this can get disturbed if tinkering behind the dash
The car side half of the connector lifts straight up to remove from the mount to bring the work out to you
So you want to read the pin 5 car side half resistance to car frame ground , the switch is out of the picture in this section
Next we will be looking at the switch side half of the connector
#58
Definitive proof would be BT4 pin 18 resistance to car frame ground with the brake pedal depressed and not depressed
This should go to zero resistance to trigger brake light illumination , high resistance for brake light off
This would be car side forward half of tghe BT4 connector
This should go to zero resistance to trigger brake light illumination , high resistance for brake light off
This would be car side forward half of tghe BT4 connector
Last edited by Parker 7; 01-31-2022 at 03:02 PM.
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#59
Definitive proof would be BT4 pin 18 resistance to car frame ground with the brake pedal depressed and not depressed
This should go to zero resistance to trigger brake light illumination , high resistance for brake light off
This would be car side forward half of tghe BT4 connector
This should go to zero resistance to trigger brake light illumination , high resistance for brake light off
This would be car side forward half of tghe BT4 connector