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Old 04-13-2012 | 12:06 AM
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Looks like 07XKJaguar is looking for 1999 XJ Engine Removal information and is having a problem with JTIS21 install on Win7 64 PC.

I extracted these instructions from Jaguar Tech Repair Manual - 1998 XJ (X308):

Engine Removal

XJ (X308) Engine Removal JTIS instructions.pdf

Fan & Motor Assembly R&I

XJ (X308) Fan and moor assembly R&I.pdf

Coolant drain, fill & bleed XJR

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/a...-bleed-r-i-pdf

Coolant drain, fill & bleed XJ8

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/a...refill-r-i-pdf

Air Conditioning Evacuation & Charging

XJ (X308) Air Condiioning Evacuaion & Charging.pdf

Coolant drain Plug R&I

Coolant drain plug.pdf

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Old 08-07-2012 | 10:12 PM
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hey man i am so thankful that you posted this. wow i was looking for this post for hours. i just have a question. do you know where i can find how to remove the transmission form the engine after it is out of the engine.
 
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Old 08-07-2012 | 11:40 PM
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Hi Pyccku
Welcome to Jaguar forum.
Your XJR has a W5A580 Transmission, Here is the weblink to W5A580 Transmission Removal PDF file extracted from the JTIS21 Shop Repair Manual:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/a...l-44-20-01-pdf

The removal of transmission from the engine (after engine/transmission is removed from vehicle) probably would start on page 8 or 9 of the PDF file.

Also here is the transmission install PDF file:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/a...n-44-20-01-pdf

Also look at my new thread that has the W5A580 Transmission Service Manual (your XJR transmission type):

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...df-file-78392/

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Old 08-13-2012 | 06:29 PM
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JIm i have come onto a big problem that i just though of. now on instructions i need to move my crank so i can take off the toque converter but the problem is that my engine is seized up and i could not with all my strenght move the cranck pulley. so how wold i go around in taking the torque converter off.
 
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Old 08-13-2012 | 09:03 PM
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Hi pyccku
Have you tried putting marvel mystery oil in all of the cylinder to free up the engine?

Then let it sit for a couple of days. After letting it soak, work the crank back and forth a bit and it should loosen up.

Then you should be able to turn the crankshaft and get access to the 3 bolts holding the torque converter to the engine flexplate.

If that does not work, I found these other instructions on another car forum:

"You might be able to unbolt the transmisson from the engine (leaving the torque converter bolted to the engine).

Pull the transmission straight back, then unbolt the torque converter from the engine.

It will probably make a mess as the transmission fluid starts pouring out of the torque converter.

Have a drain pan to put under the torque converter to catch most of the fluid."

I have no personal experience working with a seized engine, but my son has a 57 chevy's engine that was seized after the car was sitting in his garage for a year. He freed it up with the mystery oil and got it running again. It now is easy to start and runs well.

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Old 08-14-2012 | 06:04 PM
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Default i will do that but jim a have another question

will a 98 xjr motor swap into my 99 xjr. my enigne ends with an 8 for the 7th number. cause i have been searching around and fournd a person with a 98 xjr motor read to go for a good price. but the problem is his is from a 98,. i searched the forum and cant really find any information on that swap. will everything line up and bolt right in. also if im correct the only way i can remove the torque converter is from the inside of the engine that the 3 bolts are on. i have remover the trans from the motor but the converteri still stuck there.
 
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Old 08-14-2012 | 06:06 PM
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jim thank you for your quick replys to my questions i really appreciate it.
 
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Old 08-14-2012 | 06:30 PM
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"will a 98 xjr motor swap into my 99 xjr"

Most likely yours is an AJ27 as well which has a different flex plate and a different cam (Exhaust Bank A I believe)

One more question- have you taken off the belt and removed the spark plugs? Try engaging the starter to see if it is really seized.
 

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Old 08-14-2012 | 06:40 PM
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the motor is already out of the car. i removed the valve covers and there is a black coal like subsance all over my car. i was told that it happens when your piston rings go bad, they bring in carbon in and causes the black ashy build up. but what motor cfan i use in my xjr that would have an easy swap. i found the thread about i guy asking what would work with his 98 xjr and a few on 99 xj8 but nothing on a 99 xjr motor swap. can i use a 200 or a 2001 or 2002 motor? and thank you for ur effort with me cause im just new to the jaguar world.
 
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Old 08-14-2012 | 06:51 PM
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YIKES- SORRY I misread your post. I 99 XJR motor WILL fit with little modification.. I read XJ8 my bad. I am not sure if the flex plate is different, just put them next to each other and see. The heads might also be different though (cam position sensor)
 
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Old 08-14-2012 | 06:53 PM
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im sorry if you are not understanding it will a 98 motor form an xjr fit into a 99xjr? but what other options do i have with my 99 xjr
 
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Old 08-14-2012 | 06:59 PM
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Yes- it will swap over. You may need to change out one of the cams though. (I recall the 98 has one "vane" and the 99 on has 3.
 
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Old 08-14-2012 | 07:07 PM
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does anone have instructions on how the cams will have to be swapped out. im not the type of guy to read, im more of a picture person so whem jim posted the transmission pictures i was on that trans in no time. cause i have NO IDEA on how to swap a cam out but with pictures and a little help i know i can make it happen.
 
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Old 08-14-2012 | 11:46 PM
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Hi
The Camshaft R&I is part of the instructions in the Cylinder Head R&I writeups.

Here are 2 PDF files on Cylinder Head Removal & Install (1998 XJ - Info not avail on 1999-2003 XJ models, apparently the procedure is the same as 1998 info):

Left Hand Cylinder R&I:

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Right Hand Cylinder Head R&I:

Free Cloud Storage - MediaFire

You might try removing both the right & left Cylinder Heads (put marvel mystery oil in all of the cylinders, let set for a few day). Then if crankshaft still will not move, try using a wood block and hammer to try get the pistons unstuck enought to turn the crankshaft and get access to the Torque Converter 3 bolts (attached the Engine).

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Old 08-15-2012 | 05:07 AM
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@ pyccku

Hang on, a 98' R engine is the same as a 99' so yes a straight swap is OK.

No need to swap flex plate or cams, just confirm they're the same.

With regard to the torque converter, it should just pull straight off the back of the engine once you've removed the 3 bolts holding it to the flex plate.

It's then a case of bolting the box back up to the replacement engine and putting it back in the car...
 
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Ignore my post and listen to Sean.
 
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Old 08-15-2012 | 05:59 PM
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dsnyder thanks for you help so far and sean thank you for your info. jim that also goes our to you thanks for the pictures i am so happy that you guys are here to help me out. but i just want to have a 100% confirmation on the engine swap.

dsnyder said wont work/ sean said will work
i called a wrecking yard. one of them said it will swap right over with no problem/ the other yard said that you cannot swap a 98 into a 99xjr, and that only the 99-03 xjr engines will work.
the guy that is selling the engine said his uncle owns a yard and he said it will work, but the guy said he not to go off of his uncles confimation.

can i have a confirmation from like 2 other members on the swap cause i am not sure who to listen too.

CAN i swap a 98 xjr into a 99?

also jim thank you for the info but if i can use the 98 motor then i will be in luck. the guy that owns the motor still has the converter on it!!!
 
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Old 08-15-2012 | 08:56 PM
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My brother in law is a Chief R&D designer for a major Drag parts engineer builds his own drag motors and a real gear head, my buddy that is a gear head also, the three of us swapped a XJR motor. one weekend two 12hour days and was flooring it sunday night.. NOT one bolt broke or was rusted, incredibly well manufactured and solid. I took apart the old motor and was impressed. Label the Vac-lines, take out the radiator/condenser, REPLACE with new engine mounts, now is the time to change out the p/s pump, a/c and alternator...lol. Good luck !
 
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Old 08-15-2012 | 09:34 PM
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rlover thats really nice that you have swapped an engine as fast as you had and really cool to know that it runs great. but my question still has not been answered about the swap.
 
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Old 08-16-2012 | 01:16 AM
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Pyccu,

Le's put it this way:

IF you needed to switch over any parts to make the 99 to 98 swap, you HAVE them from your engine. So, regardless of if you can just plug and play you can still use the different motor as long as it is an XJR. Any work needed to swap them would be nominal- so go ahead and buy it, it will work. As a wiser forum member said to me-

"just put the two engines next to each other side by side and make the new one look like your old one"
 


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