XJ40 2.9 non starter, electrical problem, me thinks!!
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XJ40 2.9 non starter, electrical problem, me thinks!!
I recently purchased an '89 XJ40 2.9L, it had been stood for about 4 years, it was taken in part ex for a new "Renault" (I live in France) it's a RHD hence no one over here was interested in it, initially I wanted the interieur for one of my other XJs. However it's bright red so quite unusual, anyway long story short, brushed off the leaves, connected the booster, squirted some fresh petrol into the intake it fired up instantly, but fuel pump was seized (unleaded petrol with additive 4 years old), so fitted a new pump, drained tank and refilled, ran like a dream drove the 25kms home no issues. Once home engine fired up instantly evertime I tried it, it suffered from the normal dash problem, so sorted that, new seals in mastercylinder, Now it won't start, I've checked the spark at the plugs - OK, no fuel coming through, pump's not running checked the relay - relay OK works fine but I have power on all 4 terminals in the relay plug, which can't possibly be correct even on an XJ40.
Has anyone had this problem before or any ideas what I should rip out first?
Has anyone had this problem before or any ideas what I should rip out first?
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So .. what does power on all four terminals mean? are you measuring in an open circuit, where the relay is disconnect? if so, then this cannot be: one of the coil terminals will get an ECM-controlled switched earth, the other gets a switched live. The other two will have a permanent live on terminal 30 and a switched live on terminal 87.
If you are measuring in a closed circuit, i.e. the relay clicked then you started your measurements, then there is a slight chance that your test tool was reading the relay coil's feedback, hence you're reading four power terminals.
Now; the way I test faulty or suspect relays is to trace pin 87 - i.e. the switched output feeding the fuel pump in your case, then inject 12v into that, with the relay disconnected of course. When testing this way on a fuel pump relay, make sure to start of with a pulse of about 4 - 6 seconds, to prime your fuel rails, then start the car. If it starts, then you have your culprit: a faulty relay.
Let us know how you get along, and good luck.
If you are measuring in a closed circuit, i.e. the relay clicked then you started your measurements, then there is a slight chance that your test tool was reading the relay coil's feedback, hence you're reading four power terminals.
Now; the way I test faulty or suspect relays is to trace pin 87 - i.e. the switched output feeding the fuel pump in your case, then inject 12v into that, with the relay disconnected of course. When testing this way on a fuel pump relay, make sure to start of with a pulse of about 4 - 6 seconds, to prime your fuel rails, then start the car. If it starts, then you have your culprit: a faulty relay.
Let us know how you get along, and good luck.
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I checked the relay seperately and it functions as it should, it's the socket that the relay plugs into has power (when tested to ground) on all 4 terminals, possibly residual power, but to my mind it shouldn't have !!
Over the years I ave owned lots of Jaguars mostly series 2 & 3 XJ6s, a couple of E types, but never had an electrical/electronic nightmare like this XJ40, it seems to be wired up for every conceivable option in the Jaguar catalogue, unfortunately it's a base model, no AC, no electric seats, just a sunroof (which still works fine!)
Over the years I ave owned lots of Jaguars mostly series 2 & 3 XJ6s, a couple of E types, but never had an electrical/electronic nightmare like this XJ40, it seems to be wired up for every conceivable option in the Jaguar catalogue, unfortunately it's a base model, no AC, no electric seats, just a sunroof (which still works fine!)
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The Xj40's electrical systems do seem a little intimidating at first, but you will get used to it if you stick it out.
It was a mystery to me when I first got the car but it does all make sense eventually - good connections are paramount in this car and the download-able manuals such as the electrical guide and the engine management .pdf's are a good way to familiarize yourself with the systems.
The 40 is an early incarnation of today's electronic cars and quite different from the earlier Jags for sure, but still fairly simple and owner-repairable. You just have to persevere it will all make some kind of sense eventually!
Larry
It was a mystery to me when I first got the car but it does all make sense eventually - good connections are paramount in this car and the download-able manuals such as the electrical guide and the engine management .pdf's are a good way to familiarize yourself with the systems.
The 40 is an early incarnation of today's electronic cars and quite different from the earlier Jags for sure, but still fairly simple and owner-repairable. You just have to persevere it will all make some kind of sense eventually!
Larry
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