Anyone know the production numbers for '87? I own a XJ12 Vanden Plas... Thanks..

 

I don't know....less than a thousnad would be my guess.

Do some browsing here....you can probably find some info:

http://www.jdht.com/html/WelcomePage.html

Bear in mind that Jaguar expresses productions numbers in terms of calendar year, not model year.

Cheers
DD

 

From 87 on, only the V12 went into the Series 3 cars, the XJ40 shape took over from the sixes. From then to 1992, I think it was about 50 a week on a special line. I have actually seen the body-in-white completion room at Castle Bromwich during a Jaguar Drivers Club visit in around 1989. Grey-haired old boys were lead-loading the weld seams and making good the panel gaps prior to painting. They also did the XJS bodies as this was a low production car. Of course the XJ40 line was fully robotised. Eventually, the XJ40 was re-engineered to take the V12 in around 1993, but by then the price of fuel meant it never sold many.

 

If you call jaguar customer service a nice man will contact archives for you and send the information on jag letterhead... I just did this to attempt to qualify for collector plates

 

Hello 1quik4:

My fellow Ontario Canadian. I also have a 1987 VDP XJ12. The actual production numbers for the year are somewhat less than 1000. I also owned a 1987 XJ 6 Sovereign, which is in Canadian spec always an XJ 6 and a Vanden Plas always an XJ 12, thats for us anyway. Numbers for my 87' XJ6 were around 3000, because it was not a "true" 87 which would have had the seven inch outer headlights. I had a friend who had a true 87 with 7" outerights and there were only 350 or so of those cars imported.
(actual 87 Series III XJ6's)

(My figures are approximate but relatively close so take it as a "point made" instead of "gospel")
My XJ6 was a left over 86 that was sold as an 87, hence the difference. Oh yes, the value for my car versus my friends car? EXACTLY THE SAME!!!
Doesn't that just frost your pumpkin?


I have seen figures that put the production numbers as low as about 600+ cars for the Canadian spec 1987 V-12 cars.
(Again I can't remember the actual figures so just go with me here)

SO you have one and I have one, but this for some reason low numbers does not make them more valuable than the other series III cars with the possible exception of the 1992 limited and numbered cars which have always been valued a little higher.
I think we are all prone to saying we have a rare car but reality can really suck sometimes a low number can mean nothing more than an answer to trivia question..
My 1989 XJ12 is the same colour and spec as the '87 except with a soveriegn style interior.
Values for both cars? Exactly the same. No one seems to care about actual numbers it seems.

You can count on the figures for you car to be in the very low 600 car range or if you want to be absolutley sure get in touch with Jaguar heritage they may give you the precise number.

Anyway lets take good care of them and hope that someday the low number does become significant. If it doesn't just enjoy something special eh?


(Couldn't resist the "eh" its a code word for canucks)

Cheers,
JustV12

I do hope my winded reply give you something you were looking for. I do enjoy talking about series III cars soooo much!

 

The Ser III V12s were fantastic cars. Problem is, nobody knows about 'em. They were never aggressively marketed/advertised, never made a big splash in the media, they look just like their ordinary 6-cylinder siblings, etc.

Only a relative handful of Jag enthusiasts know about 'em.

Rarity does not always equate to high market value and there are countless examples of this. Look at older Corvettes: for ages a 3-speed manual trans was (technically) standard equipment but only a tiny fraction were ever actually built with one. Very rare, but nobody wanted them then and nobody wants them now....it actually hurts market value.

On the opposite end look at 60s vintage Mustangs: *hundreds of thousands* were built but the market value is wayyyy higher than anyone wou'dve imagined 30 years ago.

Go figure !

Cheers
DD

 

I agree on the S111 Xj12 and 6. IMO they are works of art .... at least that's what I reply when it's suggested that my purchase is indicative of a mid-life crisis. I do seriously believe that they are things of aesthetic value

 

This is probably a silly question but where do I find the production number? I have an 87 VDP XJ12 and I'm curious as to where the production number is and what the cars value is.

thanks !

 

The "production number" in this case is just the serial number. It will begin with SAJCL or close to that.
The serial number should indicate where in production your car stands. But as I said above a long time ago apparently, in 1987 there were about 600 cars that came to Canada.
Keep in mind that Jaguar was very much a boutique car maker back then. In 1980 production figures were under 10,000 units world wide.
Its a miracle that jaguar survived. You are looking at very low numbers until Ford started throwing money at Jaguar in 1989 but Jaguar was headed in a good direction by 1985 thanks to Sir John Egan who began a thorough restructuring of policy with suppliers starting in 1980 just after he was named managing director.
Let me be blunt here, your car is not worth one penny more than an 86 or an 88 XJ12, no matter how many were produced in either year.
Whatever an XJ12 sells for in your area is what you should gauge value against. Hagerty will give you an insurance value well north of 30 K if its good enough, but don't be fooled into thinking you can get that much if you sell it. Good XJ-12 Cars around southern Ontario are still going for between 6 and 8 K. Every local area has its own variation in prices.
Exceptionally well kept cars with absurdly low mileage (under 20 thousand kilometres) have sold for the range of 25K and up, but these are true unicorns.
I hope that helps you. I hope you can enjoy your car and use it well. Take care of it for the future and you'll spend far less money than restoring it later.
But don't be concerned about wringing out every penny of value. These are simply not the cars to do that with. However they are perfect cars and in so many ways absolutely sublime.
Enjoy it while you can !

Cheers

 

Please excuse my drooling!

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/25515957...7&toolid=10049


Pete

 

I see your point in that drooling ...
Series 3 XJ's sell for incredible money in Australia. I can't remember why but there is a good reason.
That is not a good barometer for other places in the world though.
In Toronto you can still buy a really good car for well under 10K CAD. More often a decent car for about 5 or 6 K.
This is what I was referring to when I said that the value of a Series 3 XJ-6 OR XJ-12 is going to reflect the prices where you are trying to sell it.
The only cars here that command prices like that are exceedingly low mile cars that look like they have been kept in a vacuum chamber.
If anyone is interested in buying such a car I can help you. I have a friend with a very good one.
Its considered "ex factory" with a full history. Its north of Toronto and it will not be cheap. Plan on spending north of 25K.
However I will reiterate, this is an anomaly.
The prices are creeping up as the bad cars die off and the good presentable cars are left.
Our day will come though, its just being pulled along by a snail but it will eventually get here.

Cheers!

 

Briefly: in, not for, 1987, 627 V12 VDP cars were built. The "XJ12" went out of production in 1982, so it is convenient but not correct to use that terminology.
Jaguar has no record, repeat, no record of model year production for this model except for 1992. - see below. The only records they have are for calendar year production of the V12 VDP cars sold to Jaguar Canada and the 1987 calendar year production will include 1988 model year cars (which have different seats from the 1987 model year cars).
Calendar year production of this rare model was as low as 68 cars around 1990. But we do know that the 1992 MODEL YEAR production was 100 cars, each one numbered/100.
More details about the V12 VDP if requested.

 

Gregory, I saved this excerpt below from one of your previous posts as it has a lot of good info on the Canadian VDP V12 cars, including details on the seats. My 1987 'model year' V12 has a 12/86 build date on the VIN sticker, so it would seem to be one of the 624 built in 1986. It was missing the V12 badge on the boot when I bought it. I assume it came off along the way, or do you know of any period Jaguar didn't fit them on these cars? I was able to buy a replacement. Mine also has the Daimler style seats, which is consistent with your explanation.


"Gentlemen: a primer on the Canadian V12 Van den Plas:

The V12 VDP was produced from 1982 to 1992 inclusive, and after 1984 was made for Canada ONLY, in in very small numbers, the largest number being in 1986 when 624 were made. By 1989 the number was down to 69 (and these are calendar years not model years - Jaguar kept no separate model year figures for the V12 VDP) ...for 1992 a run of exactly 100 specially equipped and trimmed and individually numbered cars was produced.

From 1982 to 1987 inclusive, and again in 1992, these cars were straight Daimler Double Sixes (and listed as such in the factory build records), but badged as Jaguars for the Canadian market and with certain Canada-only items - such as the bonnet-mounted windscreen washers heated by the tubes running in the engine compartment under the bonnet (!) .
From 1988 to 1991 inclusive the cars were taken from the V12 Sovereign line with upgraded Daimler wood, door panels and door and console armrest in leather. The seats in the 88 to 91 cars were normal Sovereign seats (which explains the seat swap in question). The earlier and the 1992 cars were trimmed in all leather as the Daimlers were. The final 1992 cars had ABS brakes, a factor mounted CD changer and various other upgrades - I attach a few photos of such a car, my former car #92/100."

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...2/#post1354909