Big Project - 1983 Series 3 Crossroads
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Big Project - 1983 Series 3 Crossroads
Hi All, I have decided it was time to return to my true love of motoring, to again appreciate the feel & ride of and the sheer sexy lines of the classic Series 3 Jag.
Having been looking for an example that will fit the bill in regard to restoration prospects for may weeks/months (In my state of S.A)..& have finally found her lying in wait for 2.5 years in a large farm type shed supporting many layers of dust and some bird like organic material dropped from height.. After some examination she got the nod, and the deal was done. Car was partially dismantled, but all was together and well stored, interior was re-done (by previous owner - abandoned resto attempt), so things were off to a good start as the dark grey vinyl looks very smart & well done, door panels & console also. Mechanically the car is untouched, original 4.2 and BW go box. Body will be completely stripped to support colour change. Some pics - setting new carpets out to get them to settle & conform. Partial dismantling of front end to allow engine extraction (teardown & inspection.) Crossroads - vehicle direction will be decided after teardown & inspection 4.2. If is ok & rebuild can be done, original engine will return with the exception of the trans..BW out, T350 in. If all bad & engine is toast..poss V8 Injected conv. may be utilised....see how we go, would be nice to retain the six, nice chambered exh. would be music to the ears....
Having been looking for an example that will fit the bill in regard to restoration prospects for may weeks/months (In my state of S.A)..& have finally found her lying in wait for 2.5 years in a large farm type shed supporting many layers of dust and some bird like organic material dropped from height.. After some examination she got the nod, and the deal was done. Car was partially dismantled, but all was together and well stored, interior was re-done (by previous owner - abandoned resto attempt), so things were off to a good start as the dark grey vinyl looks very smart & well done, door panels & console also. Mechanically the car is untouched, original 4.2 and BW go box. Body will be completely stripped to support colour change. Some pics - setting new carpets out to get them to settle & conform. Partial dismantling of front end to allow engine extraction (teardown & inspection.) Crossroads - vehicle direction will be decided after teardown & inspection 4.2. If is ok & rebuild can be done, original engine will return with the exception of the trans..BW out, T350 in. If all bad & engine is toast..poss V8 Injected conv. may be utilised....see how we go, would be nice to retain the six, nice chambered exh. would be music to the ears....
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Welcome to the forum,I look forward to reading more of your posts with interest. I assume Adelaide,South Australia since your car is RHD.
Drop by the new member area to post a welcome thread,link below.
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And take time to check out the regional South Australia/NT Forum, Grant(SA regional Coordinator) there in Adelaide is a wealth of knowlege on these older Jags.Link below to SA forum
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Drop by the new member area to post a welcome thread,link below.
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And take time to check out the regional South Australia/NT Forum, Grant(SA regional Coordinator) there in Adelaide is a wealth of knowlege on these older Jags.Link below to SA forum
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What a great find/project.
As I understand, the BW is bad. Not a deal breaker, though. Used replacement or rebuild.
Some might counsel the replacement of the old tech BW with a more modern GM with OD. Johns cars in Fort Worth, Texas offers one.
The turning point might be the health of the 4.2. Compression tests, wet and dry wouild tell the story. If both engine and transmission are poor, a change is in order.
Although a fix of each is doable, it would drain the pocket book.
Time for a modern FI SBC and OD transmission. that would be my choice. In fact it was on the demise of my 4.2. Not cheap, but utterly dependable and runs great.
Carl
As I understand, the BW is bad. Not a deal breaker, though. Used replacement or rebuild.
Some might counsel the replacement of the old tech BW with a more modern GM with OD. Johns cars in Fort Worth, Texas offers one.
The turning point might be the health of the 4.2. Compression tests, wet and dry wouild tell the story. If both engine and transmission are poor, a change is in order.
Although a fix of each is doable, it would drain the pocket book.
Time for a modern FI SBC and OD transmission. that would be my choice. In fact it was on the demise of my 4.2. Not cheap, but utterly dependable and runs great.
Carl
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What a great find/project.
As I understand, the BW is bad. Not a deal breaker, though. Used replacement or rebuild.
Some might counsel the replacement of the old tech BW with a more modern GM with OD. Johns cars in Fort Worth, Texas offers one.
The turning point might be the health of the 4.2. Compression tests, wet and dry wouild tell the story. If both engine and transmission are poor, a change is in order.
Although a fix of each is doable, it would drain the pocket book.
Time for a modern FI SBC and OD transmission. that would be my choice. In fact it was on the demise of my 4.2. Not cheap, but utterly dependable and runs great.
Carl
As I understand, the BW is bad. Not a deal breaker, though. Used replacement or rebuild.
Some might counsel the replacement of the old tech BW with a more modern GM with OD. Johns cars in Fort Worth, Texas offers one.
The turning point might be the health of the 4.2. Compression tests, wet and dry wouild tell the story. If both engine and transmission are poor, a change is in order.
Although a fix of each is doable, it would drain the pocket book.
Time for a modern FI SBC and OD transmission. that would be my choice. In fact it was on the demise of my 4.2. Not cheap, but utterly dependable and runs great.
Carl
Bill
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Hey Carl,
i hear you on the modern drive line front, it is definately a consideration in waiting. The trans swap is a no brainer either t350 or 700r.. PO assures me the car was driven in to the very shed it was retrieved from, so maybe the engine is savagable...trans fluid for the record was ultra clean, poss rebuilt or prior serv b4 storage. Anyhow engine should be on the stand by next week,(back on shift now).... ps. i have read details on kits etc of all types, Johns, JTR etc, very good to have such polished & sorted kits avail for many options.. cheers
i hear you on the modern drive line front, it is definately a consideration in waiting. The trans swap is a no brainer either t350 or 700r.. PO assures me the car was driven in to the very shed it was retrieved from, so maybe the engine is savagable...trans fluid for the record was ultra clean, poss rebuilt or prior serv b4 storage. Anyhow engine should be on the stand by next week,(back on shift now).... ps. i have read details on kits etc of all types, Johns, JTR etc, very good to have such polished & sorted kits avail for many options.. cheers
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Bill,
Thanks for the advise, input, i must agree with u on the 4 spd option, yes it makes perfect sense to have a nice lower gear 1st, last car (statesman) i had was 4 spd auto & was quite quick off the mark..so choice made. The other plus is that this trans then be used on a conversion down the road, which will eventually happen..
Thanks for the advise, input, i must agree with u on the 4 spd option, yes it makes perfect sense to have a nice lower gear 1st, last car (statesman) i had was 4 spd auto & was quite quick off the mark..so choice made. The other plus is that this trans then be used on a conversion down the road, which will eventually happen..
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Finally a few steps...
Well its been a while since the the initial welcoming & settling in of the new arrival. Things have been sorted & some interior work has begun (new matting & carpets put in early), molded units are nice but need sometime to settle & a little massage to get them fitting snug & neat - this can happen while other things are being attended too. Today was extraction day, time to rip her heart out & take a look. Things went well actually, most bolts, nuts & other attachments seemed easily removed & process went rather smoothly. Trans being held up temp. by wire pulled tight between jacking points & sits nicely on top. After a little messing around with engine stand mounting points (after removal of torque converter & flywheel) we have her sitting on the stand - complete. Tomorrow will be an interesting day (after preparing clean area for the teardown), we shall see if any disasters lurk, hopefully not...pics to follow asap....cheers :-)
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Six Indeed..
Greetings All,
Well after a cold morning start, the ol'six potter has revealed herself (so far) to be a very good engine in fine condition, intitial finding are promising & appears engine has been freshened up or poss reconditioned recently as on removal of head (eventually) - show .020 pistons. Cams looks as new & rocker covers & general interior of engine very clean. Studs were a chore to say the least, some very stuborn, but no breaks phew.. some studs were badly corroded, a must do replacement !! Well tomorrow we'll flip her over & check out the bearings etc, should (going of rest of engine) turn up ok & be reinstalled. All things being equal a nice hone job & re-ring & head gasket set, & a pretty up, we may well be in business.cheers...carry on !
Well after a cold morning start, the ol'six potter has revealed herself (so far) to be a very good engine in fine condition, intitial finding are promising & appears engine has been freshened up or poss reconditioned recently as on removal of head (eventually) - show .020 pistons. Cams looks as new & rocker covers & general interior of engine very clean. Studs were a chore to say the least, some very stuborn, but no breaks phew.. some studs were badly corroded, a must do replacement !! Well tomorrow we'll flip her over & check out the bearings etc, should (going of rest of engine) turn up ok & be reinstalled. All things being equal a nice hone job & re-ring & head gasket set, & a pretty up, we may well be in business.cheers...carry on !
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Ol' Rusty...
One thing i neglected to say was the state of the block/freeze plugs... most were totally blocked up, had to chisel my way in with a small screwdriver, studs were completely surrounded in scaley rusty goo,(prob from sitting so long) PO must have been a tap water consultant, one bad finding....., a complete flush out with the gerney is in order. 3 studs 1/3 corroded thru, obviously one item not replaced after recent recond. to .020. Cheers.
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Parts question..
Well it been a busy time. The ol' 6 has been stripped down, and things look good. Have read that some parts from other engines can be utilised in these 4.2's, eg piston rings..Holden 202 rings will fit (020) apparently, has anyone else actually done this? Have checked some parts catalogues and indeed part numbers match. My big question is gasket kits, would a late series 2 set fit a series 3, or does the fuel injection side of things change fitment of some of the kit. Any input from those in the know is gratefully received.. some more pics of the progress..Cheers to all.
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That is not a "slotted" block so check for cracks between the bores 1-2,2-3, 4-5, and 5-6.
If there are cracks you'll suffer continual head gasket failures. Don't ask how I know !! Lipped liners are available if you have cracks, but you'll have to strip the block down to have them put in at an engine shop.
Have a look at this picture of a block showing one bore with the liner removed. You can just see the crack from the upper coolant passage to the top of the block. Later blocks had a vertical slot instead of two horizontal passages, and no liner was then fitted.
If there are cracks you'll suffer continual head gasket failures. Don't ask how I know !! Lipped liners are available if you have cracks, but you'll have to strip the block down to have them put in at an engine shop.
Have a look at this picture of a block showing one bore with the liner removed. You can just see the crack from the upper coolant passage to the top of the block. Later blocks had a vertical slot instead of two horizontal passages, and no liner was then fitted.
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