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Old 08-10-2018 | 08:21 AM
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I did some work on my three fan relays last night. Pulled them out, cleaned the contacts and then replaced. Also cut out the wiring for the old amplifier as it is no longer used, replaced by new aftermarket one. All has worked well in the past. But now, with the key turned all the way on I can't get any blowers to work at any speed. Engine off I was able to get the blowers to work in the past. My wiring diagram only shows the three wires at cords H7/8 going off to the A/C circuitry (139). Is there a wiring diagram for the Delaniar somewhere I can get ahold of? Many thanks ahead of time.
 
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Old 08-10-2018 | 09:18 AM
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After a short bit of sleuthing I found the following EXCELLENT posting - mostly by Jose. You are the man! Thank you again.

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...basics-178058/
 
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Old 08-10-2018 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by yachtmanbuttson
After a short bit of sleuthing I found the following EXCELLENT posting - mostly by Jose. You are the man! Thank you again.

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...basics-178058/
it was actually by Doug Dwyer who knows most of anything worth knowing about Series III cars.
 
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Old 08-10-2018 | 01:43 PM
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yatchmanbuttson you are welcome.

which wires did you cut exactly? One of the wires is a fuse holder wire.
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 08:27 AM
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Didn't mean to leave Doug out. Yes, he is a MAJOR resource and contributor!!

I only cut the wires at the old unused amplifier. You can see it in the attached pic. Did I cut something I shouldn't have?? Also in the pic... Any idea what that relay is with the arrow pointing to it?
I can't find it on the wiring diagram but I know it's got something to do with the A/C cause it clicks when turning on the right hand mode knob.
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:18 AM
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I can't orient myself in the picture. What year is your car? Series 2 or 3 ?
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:20 AM
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It's a fan relay.

According to my 70s vintage Delanair Mk II manual the system used a stand-alone 'low speed' relay in conjunction with a 3-in-1 'main relay'; that is, 3 relays in one box. At some point in Series II production this arrangement was replaced with a 4-in-1 relay. The parts catalog gives the VIN breakpoints.

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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:21 AM
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Series II. Driver's cheek plate removed. That's why you only see three relays for three blower speeds. All the wiring diagrams I got from the aforementioned post were for Series III's.
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:24 AM
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Doug - now I'm confused. When I manually pick the three relays, one at a time, I get Low, Med, and High speeds from the blowers. How does the Hella round relay fit in this scheme? Any ideas?
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:29 AM
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I lifted this diagram off the internet; it's from the early Mk II training manual. Hope it helps

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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:30 AM
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Doug - now I'm confused. When I manually pick the three relays, one at a time, I get Low, Med, and High speeds from the blowers. How does the Hella round relay fit in this scheme? Any ideas?

I'm still on my first cuppa coffee

I'll do some mulling and try to sort it out

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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:38 AM
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Then maybe there's a lower than Low speed. Does that mean I have a four speed? Nothing happens when that picks. I'm still trying to get that relay out of there so I can pull the can and clean the contacts. My electrical experience from 1st and 2nd generation computers (way back when) says that most problems are a result of bad electrical contacts - relays, connectors, plugs/jacks, etc. I've been going through the whole car with dielectric grease and burnishing tools where appropriate.
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:45 AM
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Four speeds, yes,

As I recall, if the mode control is set to 'Auto", the fastest speed will come one only if max cooling is called for and the lowest speed will come on only if the system has stabilized in blend mode.

Agreed on connectors !

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Old 08-11-2018 | 09:50 AM
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Aha! I should keep my eyes open for an old Delanair manual if I can get my hands on one! I'm shooting blind (so what else is new!).
 
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Old 08-11-2018 | 10:02 AM
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Here's what you're looking for:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/p...-manual-95169/

Hard to find now but decades ago a guy named Chip Lamb was reprinting and selling them. Keep an eye open.

I'll never let mine out of my hands but perhaps one day I'll scan all 88 pages and get it back in circulation.

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Old 08-11-2018 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug
Here's what you're looking for:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/p...-manual-95169/

Hard to find now but decades ago a guy named Chip Lamb was reprinting and selling them. Keep an eye open.

I'll never let mine out of my hands but perhaps one day I'll scan all 88 pages and get it back in circulation.

Cheers
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Yes, please due scan and make available as a PDF download.

Jeff
 
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Old 08-12-2018 | 06:48 AM
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In fact Doug, If you scan it, I'll purchase the download from you for my library.
 
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I don't mind paying something for it also.
 
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Old 08-12-2018 | 07:47 AM
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yes, Delanairs have 4 speeds. Speed number 4 is what I call Hurricane Force Winds. It is a wonderful system. Replace the single relay and see if anything happens.
 
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Old 08-12-2018 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by yachtmanbuttson
I don't mind paying something for it also.

I'll see if I can find the time to scan 88 pages........

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