1990 XJS Serious Downpipe/Exhaust Riddle and Dilemma
#42
cats
Hi. Yes, law is that cars have CATS! But,,, it's super easy to get around... Sad but true.
But DAMN!!! Are you REALLY saying this downpipe would fit my car? If so, I'll buy it right now! And, like you said, have the bung welded in, and such...
Damn, thank you. Because I thought the whole problem so twisted, I've been reluctant to even post about it, lol
But DAMN!!! Are you REALLY saying this downpipe would fit my car? If so, I'll buy it right now! And, like you said, have the bung welded in, and such...
Damn, thank you. Because I thought the whole problem so twisted, I've been reluctant to even post about it, lol
The province I live in does not check for smog monsters, so no cats for my cat! And anybody that follows me smells gas! HOUSTON WE HAVE IGNITION!!
Maybe I can post an audio or video file?
#43
cats
Hi. Yes, law is that cars have CATS! But,,, it's super easy to get around... Sad but true.
But DAMN!!! Are you REALLY saying this downpipe would fit my car? If so, I'll buy it right now! And, like you said, have the bung welded in, and such...
Damn, thank you. Because I thought the whole problem so twisted, I've been reluctant to even post about it, lol
But DAMN!!! Are you REALLY saying this downpipe would fit my car? If so, I'll buy it right now! And, like you said, have the bung welded in, and such...
Damn, thank you. Because I thought the whole problem so twisted, I've been reluctant to even post about it, lol
The province I live in does not check for smog monsters, so no cats for my cat! And anybody that follows me smells gas! HOUSTON WE HAVE IGNITION!!
Maybe I can post an audio or video file?
#45
I take that back... Why does steel gotta be so hard and unforgiving? A half inch feels like a mile, sometimes, when things don't line up...
I got everything lined up afterall. The downpipe flanges to manifold connection can be tricky... JIGGLING things helps, lol... Good ol jiggle. I am very pleased with the amount of room going down into the tunnel, around and more away from the walls and steering rack, oil filter and all the good stuff down there.
I took the downpipes out again to clean up some things and to make sure I have everything the way it's supposed to be... A hard Day's work with good results.
I started her with ZERO exhaust... Smoothest the engine has ever run,,,, go figure. No shaking at all, cold... A couple little bursts of flames out of the manifold, lol, let me know what I was dealing with.. Dogs barking, howling and up on hind legs from here to Tennessee. Loud!
Looking forward to getting her over to the exhaust guy to button things up...
More to come.
I got everything lined up afterall. The downpipe flanges to manifold connection can be tricky... JIGGLING things helps, lol... Good ol jiggle. I am very pleased with the amount of room going down into the tunnel, around and more away from the walls and steering rack, oil filter and all the good stuff down there.
I took the downpipes out again to clean up some things and to make sure I have everything the way it's supposed to be... A hard Day's work with good results.
I started her with ZERO exhaust... Smoothest the engine has ever run,,,, go figure. No shaking at all, cold... A couple little bursts of flames out of the manifold, lol, let me know what I was dealing with.. Dogs barking, howling and up on hind legs from here to Tennessee. Loud!
Looking forward to getting her over to the exhaust guy to button things up...
More to come.
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ronbros (01-15-2020)
#46
So, I took a breath, which caused a pause...
Not sure what folks will think about the looks of these,,, but I decided I should wait and find the matching OE pipes. The seller convinced me they are solid.
Any suggestions for making them pretty?
After placing the Walker pipe, it seemed to hang too low at it's connection point, be a bit thinner walled than the mangled OE section on the RH side pipe (what is left of it - see pic) so I waited to see if anything else turned up.
I paid 51usd for this set - don't even want to tell what shipping cost - I think seller was not willing to look to hard for best prices,,, but they are on their way.
Still, will have to get fittings for O2 sensors.
They ain't pretty...
Not sure what folks will think about the looks of these,,, but I decided I should wait and find the matching OE pipes. The seller convinced me they are solid.
Any suggestions for making them pretty?
After placing the Walker pipe, it seemed to hang too low at it's connection point, be a bit thinner walled than the mangled OE section on the RH side pipe (what is left of it - see pic) so I waited to see if anything else turned up.
I paid 51usd for this set - don't even want to tell what shipping cost - I think seller was not willing to look to hard for best prices,,, but they are on their way.
Still, will have to get fittings for O2 sensors.
They ain't pretty...
#47
#48
Now, I have my mind on rear hub bearings and UJoints! Thanks to YOU and Darrel...
One step at a time.
#52
Damn Dude... Ron
You've got me thinking all day. I've had this thing for a couple of years or more and STILL has not been a ready, driver. Which is ok, btw...
So now, here I am, in a way, last needed parts in hand so I'd be able to jump in her anytime and go for a spin,,, and now. Ceramic Coating... Right now, the down pipes and heat sheilds are off. Taking down the manifolds???
How hard is it,,,, how many bolts,,,, and are they known to shear off? I'm skerd!!!!!
What's this,,,, the Jedi Mind Trick????
The coating is pretty expensive... Any brand recommendations?
You've got me thinking all day. I've had this thing for a couple of years or more and STILL has not been a ready, driver. Which is ok, btw...
So now, here I am, in a way, last needed parts in hand so I'd be able to jump in her anytime and go for a spin,,, and now. Ceramic Coating... Right now, the down pipes and heat sheilds are off. Taking down the manifolds???
How hard is it,,,, how many bolts,,,, and are they known to shear off? I'm skerd!!!!!
What's this,,,, the Jedi Mind Trick????
The coating is pretty expensive... Any brand recommendations?
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ronbros (01-17-2020)
#53
Hello JJJ
"Jedi mind trick" - I think this implies to all car restoration. Ceramic painting, yes it looks nice, and does keep the heat away, but is it worth removing from the motor to do this when your motor is running good?
I think we all know there is no such thing as a 5 minute job. I almost got mine going on boxing day, Noticed I had a small power steering leak, so I got under her, couldn't quite get my spanner on the leaking part, so I thought if I removed the one next to it, then I could give it a go. The extra one I removed came out a bit strange, and the thread was a bit damaged, and I thought the steering box thread itself might have been damaged. After procrastination, finally got it fixed yesterday, which means hopefully I can get her going this weekend.
Sometimes I think it is best to follow the principle of - if it is not broken, don't fix it. But sometimes that is a bit boring
The force is strong with these Jags
Cheers
Steve.
"Jedi mind trick" - I think this implies to all car restoration. Ceramic painting, yes it looks nice, and does keep the heat away, but is it worth removing from the motor to do this when your motor is running good?
I think we all know there is no such thing as a 5 minute job. I almost got mine going on boxing day, Noticed I had a small power steering leak, so I got under her, couldn't quite get my spanner on the leaking part, so I thought if I removed the one next to it, then I could give it a go. The extra one I removed came out a bit strange, and the thread was a bit damaged, and I thought the steering box thread itself might have been damaged. After procrastination, finally got it fixed yesterday, which means hopefully I can get her going this weekend.
Sometimes I think it is best to follow the principle of - if it is not broken, don't fix it. But sometimes that is a bit boring
The force is strong with these Jags
Cheers
Steve.
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ronbros (01-17-2020)
#54
Ceramic coating is usually a couple hundred bucks its worth it, I will at some point get my intake and exhausts coated but its not something you just do on a saturday. The exhaust bit can rust-weld together and bolts can snap, I've seen some where the manifold itself simply broke due to heat stress.
If I had a while-your-there situation I'd strongly suggest spending the extra $200. Or whatever, and do it. Delete the CATs or gut them to for heat and fire hazard reduction
If I had a while-your-there situation I'd strongly suggest spending the extra $200. Or whatever, and do it. Delete the CATs or gut them to for heat and fire hazard reduction
#55
Definitely... The whole point of this (well, a good part) was to get rid of all converters and to just clean up an exhaust system that had been pieced together with a bunch of mismatch and even wrong parts. I am very excited about a clean and understood exhaust system...
I found 2 of the 3 cats either gutted of having had shattered and blown out or, bits and pieces of them remaining in the system? The LH mid muffler I am recycling and the RH is new, from Welsh. Nice and shinnnny, and stuff. I bet it will be worth shaking the around the reused mid muffler to see if there are any chunks in there. The second cat on the LH side was loaded with a crumpled pile and crushed CAT bits. Must have been running blocked up.
Anywho, I'll still have to get a muffler guy to rig me up the intermediate pipes,,, but I am very relieved in where I'm at and can't WAIT to finally hear and drive her with a clean and flowing exhaust.
I'm not going to tempt fate and start turning on those manifold bolts... Imagine!? One, two, start shearing? Not so much on this car, but shearing bolts is a HellA on a 928 I work on (kinda), and awful on the XK8... It's such a gut punch when it happens in a way that puts the brakes on all next steps... And, scarrrry...
Heat was another reason for wanting to get rid of the CATS on the downpipes... Honestly I hate the proximity to so many other areas of the car as they pass out of the engine bay,,, in a car that get so hot,,, as the XJS... It was the main reason the ceramic coat sounded so good to me. Maybe just the downpipes for now,,, since I have them in my hand?
But,,, 4oz of the stuff is 100 bucks...? The description was that the coating shields (or something) 90% of residual heat..? Could that be right/true? Anyone have a product that they recommend? And, what's the process? Do I just slap it on and let it dry? Lol... Ron!!! Why didn't ya mention this earlier? Jeeeeeze Louise
I found 2 of the 3 cats either gutted of having had shattered and blown out or, bits and pieces of them remaining in the system? The LH mid muffler I am recycling and the RH is new, from Welsh. Nice and shinnnny, and stuff. I bet it will be worth shaking the around the reused mid muffler to see if there are any chunks in there. The second cat on the LH side was loaded with a crumpled pile and crushed CAT bits. Must have been running blocked up.
Anywho, I'll still have to get a muffler guy to rig me up the intermediate pipes,,, but I am very relieved in where I'm at and can't WAIT to finally hear and drive her with a clean and flowing exhaust.
I'm not going to tempt fate and start turning on those manifold bolts... Imagine!? One, two, start shearing? Not so much on this car, but shearing bolts is a HellA on a 928 I work on (kinda), and awful on the XK8... It's such a gut punch when it happens in a way that puts the brakes on all next steps... And, scarrrry...
Heat was another reason for wanting to get rid of the CATS on the downpipes... Honestly I hate the proximity to so many other areas of the car as they pass out of the engine bay,,, in a car that get so hot,,, as the XJS... It was the main reason the ceramic coat sounded so good to me. Maybe just the downpipes for now,,, since I have them in my hand?
But,,, 4oz of the stuff is 100 bucks...? The description was that the coating shields (or something) 90% of residual heat..? Could that be right/true? Anyone have a product that they recommend? And, what's the process? Do I just slap it on and let it dry? Lol... Ron!!! Why didn't ya mention this earlier? Jeeeeeze Louise
#56
Hello JJJ
"Jedi mind trick" - I think this implies to all car restoration. Ceramic painting, yes it looks nice, and does keep the heat away, but is it worth removing from the motor to do this when your motor is running good?
I think we all know there is no such thing as a 5 minute job. I almost got mine going on boxing day, Noticed I had a small power steering leak, so I got under her, couldn't quite get my spanner on the leaking part, so I thought if I removed the one next to it, then I could give it a go. The extra one I removed came out a bit strange, and the thread was a bit damaged, and I thought the steering box thread itself might have been damaged. After procrastination, finally got it fixed yesterday, which means hopefully I can get her going this weekend.
Sometimes I think it is best to follow the principle of - if it is not broken, don't fix it. But sometimes that is a bit boring
The force is strong with these Jags
Cheers
Steve.
"Jedi mind trick" - I think this implies to all car restoration. Ceramic painting, yes it looks nice, and does keep the heat away, but is it worth removing from the motor to do this when your motor is running good?
I think we all know there is no such thing as a 5 minute job. I almost got mine going on boxing day, Noticed I had a small power steering leak, so I got under her, couldn't quite get my spanner on the leaking part, so I thought if I removed the one next to it, then I could give it a go. The extra one I removed came out a bit strange, and the thread was a bit damaged, and I thought the steering box thread itself might have been damaged. After procrastination, finally got it fixed yesterday, which means hopefully I can get her going this weekend.
Sometimes I think it is best to follow the principle of - if it is not broken, don't fix it. But sometimes that is a bit boring
The force is strong with these Jags
Cheers
Steve.
I also like and find myself reciting the 'if it ain't broke" saying. Usually, its when I start messing around with something that wasn't broke, I break it,,, I fix it,,, and I'm driving down the street panting, dirty, and frustrated at what just happened and I'll say "well they say,,,, if it ain't broke"... What really makes me nuts is when my girlfriend looks at me blankly,,, and says it, lololol... As a former Detroit machinist,,, she thinks I'm an absolute nutt, and caveman - with a hammer - the way I approach things, sometimes.
Don't mean to be a smart ***,,,, but when I work on my power steering pump, I remove the breather,,, and the reserve/expansion tank,,, and deal from there. There might be one or two other things as well. I find that a bit easier. I hate that weird high pressure line that curls around on the the from of the cross member. Jus say'n
Anyways,,, in my imagination it's worth it. I can visualize being there with a nice clean engine like the one Ron showed me,,,, but I always fail to visualize the 3000 steps it takes to get there... Or, don't even know them in the first place, lol...
Yes, the force is strong, in these Jags...
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Damn Dude... Ron
You've got me thinking all day. I've had this thing for a couple of years or more and STILL has not been a ready, driver. Which is ok, btw...
So now, here I am, in a way, last needed parts in hand so I'd be able to jump in her anytime and go for a spin,,, and now. Ceramic Coating... Right now, the down pipes and heat sheilds are off. Taking down the manifolds???
How hard is it,,,, how many bolts,,,, and are they known to shear off? I'm skerd!!!!!
What's this,,,, the Jedi Mind Trick????
The coating is pretty expensive... Any brand recommendations?
You've got me thinking all day. I've had this thing for a couple of years or more and STILL has not been a ready, driver. Which is ok, btw...
So now, here I am, in a way, last needed parts in hand so I'd be able to jump in her anytime and go for a spin,,, and now. Ceramic Coating... Right now, the down pipes and heat sheilds are off. Taking down the manifolds???
How hard is it,,,, how many bolts,,,, and are they known to shear off? I'm skerd!!!!!
What's this,,,, the Jedi Mind Trick????
The coating is pretty expensive... Any brand recommendations?
mine were done by SWAIN Tecnologies NY state , cant remember where(google)
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Damn Dude... Ron
You've got me thinking all day. I've had this thing for a couple of years or more and STILL has not been a ready, driver. Which is ok, btw...
So now, here I am, in a way, last needed parts in hand so I'd be able to jump in her anytime and go for a spin,,, and now. Ceramic Coating... Right now, the down pipes and heat sheilds are off. Taking down the manifolds???
How hard is it,,,, how many bolts,,,, and are they known to shear off? I'm skerd!!!!!
What's this,,,, the Jedi Mind Trick????
The coating is pretty expensive... Any brand recommendations?
You've got me thinking all day. I've had this thing for a couple of years or more and STILL has not been a ready, driver. Which is ok, btw...
So now, here I am, in a way, last needed parts in hand so I'd be able to jump in her anytime and go for a spin,,, and now. Ceramic Coating... Right now, the down pipes and heat sheilds are off. Taking down the manifolds???
How hard is it,,,, how many bolts,,,, and are they known to shear off? I'm skerd!!!!!
What's this,,,, the Jedi Mind Trick????
The coating is pretty expensive... Any brand recommendations?
mine were done by SWAIN Tecnologies NY state , cant remember where(google). back 1994 mine were $50.bucks each!(but time changes all things!).
AND MAY the FORCE be with YOU!
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JayJagJay (01-17-2020)
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Damn Dude... Ron
You've got me thinking all day. I've had this thing for a couple of years or more and STILL has not been a ready, driver. Which is ok, btw...
So now, here I am, in a way, last needed parts in hand so I'd be able to jump in her anytime and go for a spin,,, and now. Ceramic Coating... Right now, the down pipes and heat sheilds are off. Taking down the manifolds???
How hard is it,,,, how many bolts,,,, and are they known to shear off? I'm skerd!!!!!
What's this,,,, the Jedi Mind Trick????
The coating is pretty expensive... Any brand recommendations?
You've got me thinking all day. I've had this thing for a couple of years or more and STILL has not been a ready, driver. Which is ok, btw...
So now, here I am, in a way, last needed parts in hand so I'd be able to jump in her anytime and go for a spin,,, and now. Ceramic Coating... Right now, the down pipes and heat sheilds are off. Taking down the manifolds???
How hard is it,,,, how many bolts,,,, and are they known to shear off? I'm skerd!!!!!
What's this,,,, the Jedi Mind Trick????
The coating is pretty expensive... Any brand recommendations?
Jedi the coating i use is a big process ,it is 1st cleaned by glass bead machine , then sprayed with a powederd compound, then into a high temp ovens, and polished after cooling!
ron
#60
Hmm. I'll be holding oft on the big process. Por15 has a product that I think I'll use to slap a coating on the down pipes, for now. We'll see what the future holds. I still have a ways to go in other areas of this critter,,, at the same time, it seems like the best time to do things, while they are out and in my hands. Ahrggg!