1994 warning light cluster on a 1995
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1994 warning light cluster on a 1995
I just noticed that, according to the Service Manuals for the 1994 and 1995 models, my 1995 XJS, VIN SAJNX2746SC197944, has a 1994 layout of the warning lights above the analog instruments!
Not that it matters - the icons are the same but the order is different, but it seems weird. Is this normal Jaguar practice, to use up old stock before using new stuff?
Not that it matters - the icons are the same but the order is different, but it seems weird. Is this normal Jaguar practice, to use up old stock before using new stuff?
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Anders,
Hi, which part of the Jaguar Parts & Service Manual shows a difference between the instrument bulb order on "1994" & "1995" cars? This is not something of which I was aware.
If there is a difference, it might be the confusion by what the US call a 1994 or a 1995 car.
It doesn't work like that where the cars were made. Jaguar made periodic changes and designate those by what they call Model Year (MY). Cars built after April 1994 at VIN changepoint 194775 (when the AJ16 engine was introduced) are designated 1994.75 MY. But Americans seem to call this "1995". Then there was another changepoint in October 1994 at VIN 198335 (brake system changes) which is designated 1995.25 MY. I don't know what Americans call this. The next VIN changepoint is in April 1995 at VIN 221855 and when the XJS was then called "Celebration". This is designated 1995.5 MY. Again I don't know what Americans call this, maybe "1996"? The next changepoint is at VIN 222632, I think around August 1995. This is designated 1996 MY, but don't know what Americans call that if they had already used "1996"?
Your car, VIN 197944, is what is designated 1994.75 MY. If there is a difference in the Service Manual (which section?) it might be because your car is part of this series and built before the 1995.25 MY cars were built. If you lived over here in the UK, you would say that you had a 1994 XJS.
I hope that isn't confusing!
Paul
Hi, which part of the Jaguar Parts & Service Manual shows a difference between the instrument bulb order on "1994" & "1995" cars? This is not something of which I was aware.
If there is a difference, it might be the confusion by what the US call a 1994 or a 1995 car.
It doesn't work like that where the cars were made. Jaguar made periodic changes and designate those by what they call Model Year (MY). Cars built after April 1994 at VIN changepoint 194775 (when the AJ16 engine was introduced) are designated 1994.75 MY. But Americans seem to call this "1995". Then there was another changepoint in October 1994 at VIN 198335 (brake system changes) which is designated 1995.25 MY. I don't know what Americans call this. The next VIN changepoint is in April 1995 at VIN 221855 and when the XJS was then called "Celebration". This is designated 1995.5 MY. Again I don't know what Americans call this, maybe "1996"? The next changepoint is at VIN 222632, I think around August 1995. This is designated 1996 MY, but don't know what Americans call that if they had already used "1996"?
Your car, VIN 197944, is what is designated 1994.75 MY. If there is a difference in the Service Manual (which section?) it might be because your car is part of this series and built before the 1995.25 MY cars were built. If you lived over here in the UK, you would say that you had a 1994 XJS.
I hope that isn't confusing!
Paul
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AndersA (08-29-2014)
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Hi Paul,
Your explanation makes perfect sense.
So according to Jaguar I have a 1994.75, based on the serial number in the VIN, but they agree with the Americans it is a -95, giving it an S as the year maker in said VIN.
I've tried to find postable references to the layout of my warning lights, but can't find any. What I've got is what's depicted on page 45 in this link: http://www.jagrepair.com/images/Auto...4%20update.pdf, and not what's in the 1995 Driver's Manual that came with the car.
Your explanation makes perfect sense.
So according to Jaguar I have a 1994.75, based on the serial number in the VIN, but they agree with the Americans it is a -95, giving it an S as the year maker in said VIN.
I've tried to find postable references to the layout of my warning lights, but can't find any. What I've got is what's depicted on page 45 in this link: http://www.jagrepair.com/images/Auto...4%20update.pdf, and not what's in the 1995 Driver's Manual that came with the car.
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gerryxjs (08-16-2015)
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Anders,
That link refers to a North American publication of the introduction of the "American" 1994 MY car. This car has the AJ6 engine rather than the AJ16 engine in your car which was introduced in April 1994.
Confusingly, when the AJ16 engine cars were first introduced, Jaguar didn't seem to have a new drivers handbook ready for issue. My car is an early AJ16 VIN 196... and all the digarams etc in it refer to the earlier AJ6 cars.
However, the instrument diagram in the drivers book is the same as the one in that American publication and is the same as I have fitted in my car.
Just to make it more confusing, the diagram in the 4 litre Jaguar Parts & Service Manual (which is dated August 1993) shows a slightly different layout that is not consistent with the handbook, your publication or my car.
And the Jaguar parts system identifies a change in the circuit boards at VIN 194775 (AJ16 engine intro) but no changes after that.
Of course, we know that Jaguar sometimes produced publications with intended changes that never actually made it into production. So this may explain the inconsistency.
Can you post a pic of the diagram that is in your American "1995" drivers manual so that I can see the apparent differences?
Tks
Paul
That link refers to a North American publication of the introduction of the "American" 1994 MY car. This car has the AJ6 engine rather than the AJ16 engine in your car which was introduced in April 1994.
Confusingly, when the AJ16 engine cars were first introduced, Jaguar didn't seem to have a new drivers handbook ready for issue. My car is an early AJ16 VIN 196... and all the digarams etc in it refer to the earlier AJ6 cars.
However, the instrument diagram in the drivers book is the same as the one in that American publication and is the same as I have fitted in my car.
Just to make it more confusing, the diagram in the 4 litre Jaguar Parts & Service Manual (which is dated August 1993) shows a slightly different layout that is not consistent with the handbook, your publication or my car.
And the Jaguar parts system identifies a change in the circuit boards at VIN 194775 (AJ16 engine intro) but no changes after that.
Of course, we know that Jaguar sometimes produced publications with intended changes that never actually made it into production. So this may explain the inconsistency.
Can you post a pic of the diagram that is in your American "1995" drivers manual so that I can see the apparent differences?
Tks
Paul
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Anders,
I've not seen that diagram before. It seems strange for an XJS for the following reasons:
- It says Sport Mode is not applicable. Not true
- It doesn't have a 1st gear lockout illumination bulb as it should.
- It has a caravan trailer light. That seems a strange need on an XJS
I'd be interested to hear if anyone actually has that layout of bulbs in their XJS.
Paul
I've not seen that diagram before. It seems strange for an XJS for the following reasons:
- It says Sport Mode is not applicable. Not true
- It doesn't have a 1st gear lockout illumination bulb as it should.
- It has a caravan trailer light. That seems a strange need on an XJS
I'd be interested to hear if anyone actually has that layout of bulbs in their XJS.
Paul
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1994 warning light cluster sequence
I just upgraded my instrument cluster to LED's and have some extra parts from some spare instrument clusters to include some gauges. One of these parts is the light indicator symbol strip. This is one is different from the one shown in the previous message. the first four symbols on the left are > exh temp, 1st gear, sport, tranny. The first four symbols on the right are > washer tank, rear fog, bulb out, front fog. Is this the strip you need? It is very easy to take out the incorrect one and put this one in. It is for vin numbers after 188105. I don't have a need for this strip. Let me know if you can use it. Mert25@att.net...
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#8
Anders,
I've not seen that diagram before. It seems strange for an XJS for the following reasons:
- It says Sport Mode is not applicable. Not true
- It doesn't have a 1st gear lockout illumination bulb as it should.
- It has a caravan trailer light. That seems a strange need on an XJS
I'd be interested to hear if anyone actually has that layout of bulbs in their XJS.
Paul
I've not seen that diagram before. It seems strange for an XJS for the following reasons:
- It says Sport Mode is not applicable. Not true
- It doesn't have a 1st gear lockout illumination bulb as it should.
- It has a caravan trailer light. That seems a strange need on an XJS
I'd be interested to hear if anyone actually has that layout of bulbs in their XJS.
Paul
#9
My thanks to all posters to this thread.
I have had trouble just trying to determine the position and function of all the “idiot” lights,and although mine is a 1992, the handbook relates entirely to a pre-facelift XJS and so is of limited value. No value as regards this thread.
I eventually pulled the dash for the umpteenth time and removed each bulb in turn, shone a flash light through to discover the icon. I have been trying to fit LEDs in an effort to brighten up the turn signals (at the very least) and could think of no other way of doing it.
Reading from left to right:-
Fog | Bulb failure (I think) | Sport |Fog ? | Turn | Hi beam | Anti Lock | Low Coolant | ?!? | Oil Pressure| Parking brake | Low fuel | Chk Engine | Battery | Seat Belt | Turn| Trailer | Transmission | Exhaust Temp | Low Windshield |
So unless my eyes are playing tricks it is not exactly the same layout as AndersA 's Jpeg.
I'd be happy to find a drivers handbook for a 1992 !!!
I have had trouble just trying to determine the position and function of all the “idiot” lights,and although mine is a 1992, the handbook relates entirely to a pre-facelift XJS and so is of limited value. No value as regards this thread.
I eventually pulled the dash for the umpteenth time and removed each bulb in turn, shone a flash light through to discover the icon. I have been trying to fit LEDs in an effort to brighten up the turn signals (at the very least) and could think of no other way of doing it.
Reading from left to right:-
Fog | Bulb failure (I think) | Sport |Fog ? | Turn | Hi beam | Anti Lock | Low Coolant | ?!? | Oil Pressure| Parking brake | Low fuel | Chk Engine | Battery | Seat Belt | Turn| Trailer | Transmission | Exhaust Temp | Low Windshield |
So unless my eyes are playing tricks it is not exactly the same layout as AndersA 's Jpeg.
I'd be happy to find a drivers handbook for a 1992 !!!
Last edited by gerryxjs; 08-16-2015 at 12:02 PM. Reason: typo and punctuation
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