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Old 08-18-2022 | 07:14 PM
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I am looking at purchasing a very well taken care of 1995 model year XJS V12 convertible and have read where only 11 V12 convertibles were made for 1995, the final year for the verts? Is this accurate? If so, this sems like a pretty rare car.

 
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Old 08-18-2022 | 07:19 PM
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Sounds about right to me.

The production numbers are calendar year, not model year....which can skew things a little. But in this case it's a rare car no matter how you slice it

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Old 08-18-2022 | 09:00 PM
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Those numbers seem a bit off, as the late convertibles were 2+2's. There shouldn't be columns for both convertible and 2+2 in 1995. The earlier 2 seater only cars were called convertibles, or sometimes 2+0.

See also this thread: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...numbers-99960/
 

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Old 08-19-2022 | 12:15 AM
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I think correct. In the last year or so of production, V12s were special order only.
 
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Old 08-19-2022 | 03:40 AM
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MSGGrunt,

As mentioned, there are differences between calendar production figures and "MY" figures. And the US market sometimes has different "MY" designation to the rest of the world. For example, cars sold in the US that were actually manufactured in 1994 will be either US 1994 MY or US 1995 MY. But cars sold in the UK etc will be 1994 MY, 1994.75 MY or 1995.25 MY. Confusing?

The list that you have is the physical production year stats, which is the important statistic for the UK and most of the world. This is the revised list that corrected the misnomer that there were only a total of 180 6 litre convertibles built. The other list referred to in this thread is the US MY stats (massaged to reflect differences in MY classifications for other areas of the world).

Also, from the time that Jaguar introduced the 2+2 convertible, nearly all production was of the 2+2 variety. But it was still technically possible to get Jaguar to build a 2-seater convertible. But hardly anyone chose the option.

So for a "1995" 6 litre convertible, the stats (within 1 car discrepancy!) are:

1995 US MY - 194 cars (Total world production)
1995 physical production - 78 cars (Total world production) of which 9 are 1996 MY cars.

Whichever way you look at, 6 litre convertibles are rare and desirable cars. Buy it!

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Old 08-19-2022 | 09:41 AM
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The confusion also exist in the Mercedes world where they use the production date for build numbers and not model year. This can be further complicated if the car was a grey market import. The car could be produced in 1984 and if not imported into the US until 1985 it "could" be assigned a 1985 model year.

The car VIN I am looking at is SAJNX2349SC196311, which shows the car being assembled in 1994 as a 1995 model year. Car has had only three owners, really only 2, the service history is as good as it can be with the factory booklet stamped all the way to 90,000 miles. White with tan interior. Of course if I pull the trigger it will get a good baselining with new plugs, cap, rotor, leads, cooling system rebuilt, transmission filter and fluid replaced, etc. This will be my first V12, but previously I have owned a 1995 XJ6 and currently own a 2004 Land Rover and a 1969 TR6 so I am no stranger to British vehicles. I can't see a V12 testing my abilities any more than a rover V8, just maybe more time consuming for certain tasks like replacing the plugs.
 
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Old 08-19-2022 | 11:46 AM
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Replacing plugs on the 6.0, V12 is a bear of a job.
The first time I did mine took literally more than a day.
I suggest completely removing distributor and throttle body linkage.
One of the plugs was so seized it cracked off at the head.
Strain on my back took another few days to dissipate.
Once I knew which wrench combinations to use, the second time only took 8 hours.
Negotiating the space between the AC compressor and the head took an hour by itself.
Unless you are going to recharge the AC system, you can't move the compressor.
The third time and the last only took about 4 hours.
 
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Old 08-19-2022 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MSGGrunt
I can't see a V12 testing my abilities any more than a rover V8, just maybe more time consuming for certain tasks like replacing the plugs.
That's what I said before I bought my XJS.
 
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Old 08-19-2022 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MSGGrunt
The confusion also exist in the Mercedes world where they use the production date for build numbers and not model year. This can be further complicated if the car was a grey market import. The car could be produced in 1984 and if not imported into the US until 1985 it "could" be assigned a 1985 model year.

The car VIN I am looking at is SAJNX2349SC196311, which shows the car being assembled in 1994 as a 1995 model year. Car has had only three owners, really only 2, the service history is as good as it can be with the factory booklet stamped all the way to 90,000 miles. White with tan interior. Of course if I pull the trigger it will get a good baselining with new plugs, cap, rotor, leads, cooling system rebuilt, transmission filter and fluid replaced, etc. This will be my first V12, but previously I have owned a 1995 XJ6 and currently own a 2004 Land Rover and a 1969 TR6 so I am no stranger to British vehicles. I can't see a V12 testing my abilities any more than a rover V8, just maybe more time consuming for certain tasks like replacing the plugs.
Hello, I think we've communicated over on Benzworld regarding our W123 coupes. Sound like you've found a rare beast, late model XJS V12. I would go for it, the V12 is sublime to drive when brought up to scratch.
 
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Old 08-19-2022 | 12:50 PM
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Yes, I am also on Benzworld with the pretty rare Euro spec W123 manual transmission 280CE.

I have researched the time consuming plug replacement, but can't be as bad as having to replace head gaskets on a Rover 4.6 after just 20,000 or 30,000 miles. Neither are overly difficult in my mind, just takes time and patience.
 
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Old 08-19-2022 | 05:50 PM
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MSGGrunt,

VIN 196311 was manufactured 2 weeks after my 4 litre Convertible. Jaguar called that a 1994.75 MY everywhere except the US. It's a nice spec with most of the features of the later Celebration cars.

Having owned a number of Rover V8-engined vehicles. I do think the Jaguar V12 is quite a bit more complex. However, if you're useful with a spanner and a multimeter, you'll eventually muddle through! (I've also had a TR6 for 38 years, still waiting for me to finish the rebuild!)

Do let us all know if you get the Jag!

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Old 08-20-2022 | 03:40 AM
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So looking at the list on the other link, my 93 convertible was one of only 36 made?!?! Interesting to say the least!

Oh wait duh! I just looked at it again and saw the list is for 6.0 only. Is there a list for total cars productions?
 
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Old 08-20-2022 | 04:49 AM
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2750 4 litre Convertibles manufactured in 1993.

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Old 08-20-2022 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ptjs1
2750 4 litre Convertibles manufactured in 1993.

Paul
Well thats just a small difference! Lol! Still happy to own mine, even if its not super special 😁😁😁😁
 
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Old 08-20-2022 | 07:47 AM
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Apparently there were 114,228 Mustangs sold in 1993, so yours is still pretty rare and special!

Paul
 
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