Baffling brake behavior (maybe)
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Baffling brake behavior (maybe)
In the last few weeks, at times the car had been sluggish to respond to throttle. It felt as if either the tranny wasn't delivering power or that a brake somehow was "locked".
Today, while driving, this behavior happened again in a more dramatic fashion.
After driving about 5 or so miles, I pressed on the gas after stopping for traffic, just trying to get up to 30 MPH. The car would not budge. I pressed harder on the gas, and the rear tires (or at least one of them) began spinning...the car didn't move at all. I was on a slightly downhill grade, so I put it in neutral. It didn't budge. I then got out (car still in neutral) and starting pushing. Zero movement. In the past, when necessary, I've been able to push it myself on level pavement with not a lot of effort. But it wasn't going to budge a bit, even on a slight downhill grade.
I shut it off and waited about a minute. Started it...and it ran fine! Brakes fine, acceleration fine, no problems at all. I got it home (about a 5 mile drive) with no issues.
I've only had a chance to do a very brief inspect of the area around the master cylinder (which was renewed about four months ago). Nothing unusual was noted. I can't help but think that one or both front brakes where somehow "closing" themselves, but I'm not sure how to test this theory. I could be totally wrong, but I'm lacking another theory at the moment.
Thanks,
John
1987 XJ-S V12
about 70,000 miles (unless the odometer has been rolled back).
Today, while driving, this behavior happened again in a more dramatic fashion.
After driving about 5 or so miles, I pressed on the gas after stopping for traffic, just trying to get up to 30 MPH. The car would not budge. I pressed harder on the gas, and the rear tires (or at least one of them) began spinning...the car didn't move at all. I was on a slightly downhill grade, so I put it in neutral. It didn't budge. I then got out (car still in neutral) and starting pushing. Zero movement. In the past, when necessary, I've been able to push it myself on level pavement with not a lot of effort. But it wasn't going to budge a bit, even on a slight downhill grade.
I shut it off and waited about a minute. Started it...and it ran fine! Brakes fine, acceleration fine, no problems at all. I got it home (about a 5 mile drive) with no issues.
I've only had a chance to do a very brief inspect of the area around the master cylinder (which was renewed about four months ago). Nothing unusual was noted. I can't help but think that one or both front brakes where somehow "closing" themselves, but I'm not sure how to test this theory. I could be totally wrong, but I'm lacking another theory at the moment.
Thanks,
John
1987 XJ-S V12
about 70,000 miles (unless the odometer has been rolled back).
#2
In the last few weeks, at times the car had been sluggish to respond to throttle. It felt as if either the tranny wasn't delivering power or that a brake somehow was "locked".
Today, while driving, this behavior happened again in a more dramatic fashion.
After driving about 5 or so miles, I pressed on the gas after stopping for traffic, just trying to get up to 30 MPH. The car would not budge. I pressed harder on the gas, and the rear tires (or at least one of them) began spinning...the car didn't move at all. I was on a slightly downhill grade, so I put it in neutral. It didn't budge. I then got out (car still in neutral) and starting pushing. Zero movement. In the past, when necessary, I've been able to push it myself on level pavement with not a lot of effort. But it wasn't going to budge a bit, even on a slight downhill grade.
I shut it off and waited about a minute. Started it...and it ran fine! Brakes fine, acceleration fine, no problems at all. I got it home (about a 5 mile drive) with no issues.
I've only had a chance to do a very brief inspect of the area around the master cylinder (which was renewed about four months ago). Nothing unusual was noted. I can't help but think that one or both front brakes where somehow "closing" themselves, but I'm not sure how to test this theory. I could be totally wrong, but I'm lacking another theory at the moment.
Thanks,
John
1987 XJ-S V12
about 70,000 miles (unless the odometer has been rolled back).
Today, while driving, this behavior happened again in a more dramatic fashion.
After driving about 5 or so miles, I pressed on the gas after stopping for traffic, just trying to get up to 30 MPH. The car would not budge. I pressed harder on the gas, and the rear tires (or at least one of them) began spinning...the car didn't move at all. I was on a slightly downhill grade, so I put it in neutral. It didn't budge. I then got out (car still in neutral) and starting pushing. Zero movement. In the past, when necessary, I've been able to push it myself on level pavement with not a lot of effort. But it wasn't going to budge a bit, even on a slight downhill grade.
I shut it off and waited about a minute. Started it...and it ran fine! Brakes fine, acceleration fine, no problems at all. I got it home (about a 5 mile drive) with no issues.
I've only had a chance to do a very brief inspect of the area around the master cylinder (which was renewed about four months ago). Nothing unusual was noted. I can't help but think that one or both front brakes where somehow "closing" themselves, but I'm not sure how to test this theory. I could be totally wrong, but I'm lacking another theory at the moment.
Thanks,
John
1987 XJ-S V12
about 70,000 miles (unless the odometer has been rolled back).
Jon
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You have an 1987 so you have the older vacuum servo brakes... Correct? The big tell here is the fact that you had the MC changed or rebuild recently. You need to remove the MC and adjust the piston rod. It's too long and preventing the MC piston from retracting sufficiently to allow fluid to flow back in sufficient quantity to allow the brakes to fully release quickly in some scenarios. If your piston rod adjuster nut is too rusted from brake fluid you can simply add a thick piece of grey gasket paper between the MC and booster. This will effectively shorten the rod by spacing out the MC a tiny bit.
It's possible the new or refurbished MC is in a different tolerance group than the old MC setup...And Jag made the rod adjustable for a reason. Never a bad idea to change your aged hoses too while you're at it though.
It's possible the new or refurbished MC is in a different tolerance group than the old MC setup...And Jag made the rod adjustable for a reason. Never a bad idea to change your aged hoses too while you're at it though.
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No mentions, in the Jag Service manual. I guess you're just supposed to know
Well Documented in 70's Porsche Service manual. 2 pages on this subject alone. Got'a love German precision, here's an example.
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