Brake issues
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Hello All.
I drove my 1988 XJS today to get the exhaust system redone and about 15 minutes into the drive my brake pedal went to the floor. Since I was about 5 minutes from the muffler shop, I nursed the car there with the car barely stopping with the pedal all the way to the floor. We got the car up on the lift and about 3 hours later the exhaust work was done. The shop owner told me to drive the car off the lift and lo and behold the brake pedal was high and the brakes working again as if there never was a problem.
On my way back home after about the same 15 minutes, I lost the pedal again. I got the car home and parked it in my driveway and after about an hour, the brake pedal was back up again and working as it should.
During the restoration, I replaced the 2 front calipers, serviced the the rear and replaced the brake pads. The only part that was not touched was the master cylinder.
I had my neighbor come over and he pumped the pedal while I bled the air out of the system. When driving the car, there is no pulsing of the pedal that would indicate warped rotors.
I have never had a brake issue like this ever, so I have questions. It is somehow related to heat.
When the brake system is cool, the brake acts normally, so I would not know if I fixed anything until I drive the car.
1. Why would I lose the pedal after driving for a while?
Pumping the pedal does not bring the pedal back up.
2. Why would the pedal come back when the system cools down*?
3. Is it that there is still air in the system?
4. Is this a Master Cylinder issue?
5. Anyone had an issue like this before? What was the fix?
Thanks.
I drove my 1988 XJS today to get the exhaust system redone and about 15 minutes into the drive my brake pedal went to the floor. Since I was about 5 minutes from the muffler shop, I nursed the car there with the car barely stopping with the pedal all the way to the floor. We got the car up on the lift and about 3 hours later the exhaust work was done. The shop owner told me to drive the car off the lift and lo and behold the brake pedal was high and the brakes working again as if there never was a problem.
On my way back home after about the same 15 minutes, I lost the pedal again. I got the car home and parked it in my driveway and after about an hour, the brake pedal was back up again and working as it should.
During the restoration, I replaced the 2 front calipers, serviced the the rear and replaced the brake pads. The only part that was not touched was the master cylinder.
I had my neighbor come over and he pumped the pedal while I bled the air out of the system. When driving the car, there is no pulsing of the pedal that would indicate warped rotors.
I have never had a brake issue like this ever, so I have questions. It is somehow related to heat.
When the brake system is cool, the brake acts normally, so I would not know if I fixed anything until I drive the car.
1. Why would I lose the pedal after driving for a while?
Pumping the pedal does not bring the pedal back up.
2. Why would the pedal come back when the system cools down*?
3. Is it that there is still air in the system?
4. Is this a Master Cylinder issue?
5. Anyone had an issue like this before? What was the fix?
Thanks.
Last edited by sanchez; 07-21-2022 at 12:21 PM. Reason: add info
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Classic symptom of master cylinder rubber seal failure. As the temps heat up the seals give and thus all you are doing with the pedal is pushing the seal and the fluid is going past them, rather than down the pipes to the calipers. A new M/C, or re-seal kit if the internal wall of the M/cylinder is still pit and rust free, is the solution. Assuming you do not have anti lock brakes. Rockauto have them.
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OK. Since the only part of the brake system I have not touched is the Master Cylinder, I am going to order one.
My system has the remote brake fluid reservoir with 2 brake lines going to the master with hoses on each end of the lines.
The Master has 2 plastic press fittings where the hose is attached.
Anyone knows the part number for the master cylinder.
My system has the remote brake fluid reservoir with 2 brake lines going to the master with hoses on each end of the lines.
The Master has 2 plastic press fittings where the hose is attached.
Anyone knows the part number for the master cylinder.
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OK. Since the only part of the brake system I have not touched is the Master Cylinder, I am going to order one.
My system has the remote brake fluid reservoir with 2 brake lines going to the master with hoses on each end of the lines.
The Master has 2 plastic press fittings where the hose is attached.
Anyone knows the part number for the master cylinder.
My system has the remote brake fluid reservoir with 2 brake lines going to the master with hoses on each end of the lines.
The Master has 2 plastic press fittings where the hose is attached.
Anyone knows the part number for the master cylinder.
Make sure you keep the plastic ports that enable the M/C to join to the reservoir! These are NLA and the new M/C will probably NOT come with new ones. These ports just press into a rubber bung, very carefully prise then out from the indent in the rubber.
This is the Rockauto link to what you need, by the looks of the photo you may be lucky with the ports too!
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...+cylinder,1836
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Sanchez
Try this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37417551233...512338&vxp=mtr
Also worth searching on CAC1583, I turned up quite a few.
Try this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37417551233...512338&vxp=mtr
Also worth searching on CAC1583, I turned up quite a few.
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Greg, Thank you for that link. I spoke to Paul at Paul's Jaguar and he had the last one in stock. I was able to purchase the MC from him.
Since I am a past customer and had visited his store in Ft Lauderdale I got the MC for a decent price and no tax.
Should be here on Monday. Paul is 2 hours away from me and if I wanted I could have driven down there and picked it up myself today. With the cost of gasoline being what it is today, I opted for postage.
I will rebuild the MC I have with the seals from Welsh if the MC bore is not pitted and put it up for sale.
Thanks again.
Since I am a past customer and had visited his store in Ft Lauderdale I got the MC for a decent price and no tax.
Should be here on Monday. Paul is 2 hours away from me and if I wanted I could have driven down there and picked it up myself today. With the cost of gasoline being what it is today, I opted for postage.
I will rebuild the MC I have with the seals from Welsh if the MC bore is not pitted and put it up for sale.
Thanks again.
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