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Old 02-14-2017, 10:08 AM
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If that is a shot from the front, then it looks like the air dam has been removed. With the air dam back in place, the pipe may not be visible, or an easy target for any road projection.
I could not quite follow your idea about a bendier pipe, but the best thing is to have the exir/imput from the cooler going rearwards horizontally, as in the OEM pipes. Is there any way you can do this? If that thing fails, you will have a few seconds to shut down the engine after all the oil dumps out at 50 psi.
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Old 02-14-2017, 02:54 PM
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Hi Daim

You are right!

I wouldn't say it was a bargain either but it did have a price tag of £59-99 which they probably got from seeing something similar on ebay.

So I thought if I got it for £30 I would be on the right side but wouldn't have gone any higher, as if you do its all too easy to get carried away.

50% of those Sockets are A/F which are not much good for anything these days (unless someone knows different?)

And my own Socket Ratchet and Extensions are better than those in the Box and so I have to be honest and say that it was a bit of an impulse buy, as it had some 'eye candy' about it.

I didn't really need it anyway, as with my odd jumble of Sockets and Spanners, I've not yet come across a Nut I couldn't get a Spanner or a Socket on (even if I couldn't manage to undo it!)

So although I'll hold my hands up and say that I probably made a mistake with this one, at least it was only £30 and not £100 or more.

You are really incredibly lucky with the price of Tools in Germany and the USA is the same.

But I have just re-jigged the Box and taken all the A/F Sockets out and in their place I have put some Metric Impact Sockets, that came with my Air Impact Wrench.

And then I picked up these:

8 Brand New Spanners £2 and have bought exactly the same before and used and abused them before I declared them unbreakable.

So I guess you Win some/Lose some, that's the name of the game.



8 Spanners only £2 the lot
I've bought exactly the same before and found them to be unbreakable, even when I've hit them with a FBH.
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 02:57 AM
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Hi Greg

Its hard to tell from the Photo but on the end of that Oil Pipe is an angled elbow with square sides, which the PO had to put in, as the Pipe he used

was too heavy duty to bend round in the curve that he wanted.

The Problem being that angled elbow makes the pipe hang down too low, which will catch on the Road Humps in my road.

So in order to overcome this, I need to use a less heavy duty tube that will bend round without the need for the elbow, which will also leave it

higher off the ground to clear the road humps.

But if I did that and the Pipe developed a kink restricting the Oil Flow, would or could it blow the engine?
 
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Not for me, that pipe.

I would "bite that bullet" and get the cooler, and correct pipes/hoses. and do it right.

You are going to do that cooler anyway at some time, and to waste money and time ($$$) to bodge something up that could cause more grief, is simply false economy to me.
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:42 AM
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Hi Grant

You are probably right but I wanted to get her through the MOT and try and make sure She was running alright before I splashed out £300 for an Oil Cooler and some Shop made hoses.
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:55 AM
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The cooler is still available (I need one too as mine is "okay" but the lower mounting points have rotted off the cooler) and costs around €280 (so about £250) and the hoses are available aftermarket...
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:07 AM
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Hi Daim

Cheers!

£250 rings a Bell, that's what I paid for one last time and had the Hoses made up at my Local Hydraulic Shop for just a few pounds.

Just out of interest how much are the Aftermarket Hoses and where do you get them.
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:12 AM
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They cost a few bob... But together the same as one oil cooler...

So about £220 (round about).

SNG offers them now... Special order but they are available...

But ONLY for the full flow type. As you have a vehicle of later year, it will have the full flow... Part numbers:

CBC2691 CBC2690
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:41 AM
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Hi Daim

So with the VAT were talking about £500 all in, for Two Oil Pipes and the Cooler.
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:48 AM
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That is already with VAT... I noted all the prices by hand in my excel list, so I know what to order and how much it will cost (roughly due to €-£ exchange rates)...
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:24 AM
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Not gonna be a Cheap day out then! (Lol)

BTW I took the Socket Set back for a refund, they were quite happy about it as I'm one of their best Customers.
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:36 AM
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No wonder They might as well just bring you the stuff to your door so you can choose first
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:51 PM
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Hi Daim

If nothing else it only shows how little I know about the mechanics, to buy myself a Socket Set which was a 50/50 mix of A/F and Metric, when

what I really needed was an all Metric one.

Although now having had one, be it only for a day I've come to the conclusion that they are over rated, as for starters they weigh a ton to have to

carry around and unless you get a good one for which you may have to pay some serious money.

The ratchet wrench contained within is not always the best and I have broken a similar one to that which came with this kit.

Maybe that could have been my fault for putting a Scaffold Pole on the end to give me a bit more leverage but those who live in the real world,

know that's something that you sometimes have to do.

Some years ago I found one that I just couldn't break and that's the one that I use all the time, except that its too heavy duty to stow in the

Socket Set Box, so that's a separate item that I have to carry around.

As for my jumble of Sockets, I much prefer to keep them in a plastic box where I can much more easily find the one I need.

All of my Spanners are kept in 3 Plastic Boxes, which are graded into Small, Medium and Large so I can grab the box or boxes I think I'll be

needing for the Job.

And while I know that it is not the Mechanics way of doing things, I find that it works for me and so that's all that counts.

BTW. Today I met another Guy who has an XJS, in my local Garage where I fill up with Petrol and got chatting, where I could not help smiling

when I heard him say, I've only put £70 in, as its a bit too early to fill her up at this time of the year.

Which unfortunately reminds me of the expense in store to run an XJS during the Summer.
 

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Old 02-16-2017, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by orangeblossom
BTW I took the Socket Set back for a refund, they were quite happy about it as I'm one of their best Customers.
OB, Why? Your car is mainly fitted with Imperial fixings.
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:24 AM
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That is what Inwas thinking, Greg. Only a few bolts and nuts are metrix, everything else is imperial... Unless OB already has an imperial socket set?
 
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Old 02-16-2017, 05:18 AM
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Hi Greg

Oh dear!

Looks like I screwed up again (Lol)

Now I am confused, what type of Spanners would you say I need?

I was thinking that I would need Metric.

The reason I took the Socket Set back, was because I didn't think I would ever need A/F

I'll have to have another look at my sockets, though with the motley collection I've got I've never found a bolt I can't undo or at least be able to

get the right size spanner on.
 
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Old 02-16-2017, 05:26 AM
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For our cars you need both metric and A/F sockets and spanners. The majority of nuts and bolts are Imperial, and the engine is a seemingly random mix of both! Quite often a metric will do on an A/F (ie Imperial sized) bolt or nut. But if the fixing is a bit worn or very tight, a really accurate sized tool will be best and reduce the risk of rounding off the hex, etc. The smaller the hex, the more important the right size is.
Sizes for spanners (whether ring or open ended) are the same as for sockets, sockets are (in effect) easily interchangeable ring spanners. Just a different shaped tool but fitting the same specified size bolt head or nut.
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Yikes!

I'd better buy it back then and not for the first time either (Lol)

Probably not as I'd rather just buy the individual sockets, to go with my Super duper unbreakable ratchet.
 
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OB, you're best to buy two COMPLETE kits... Metric and imperial. BOTH are required. I mean good example:

the nuts that hold the intake manifolds to the head are metric, the thread of the same stud that goes into the block is imperial. So it is half metric, half imperial.

I started to use metric tools on the lot but ended up stopping that, as the results were always (after they hadn't been used for a long time) that either the shoulders wore round or the tool just slipped.

My XJ8 is fully metric (like the XJ40, the first metric Jaguar) and only gets metric tools. The XJ-S is really, as Greg said, a wild mix of metric AND imperial tooled parts. So you need both kits ready by the hand when you attempt to do a task...
 
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Originally Posted by Daim
the nuts that hold the intake manifolds to the head are metric, the thread of the same stud that goes into the block is imperial. So it is half metric, half imperial.
Daim, on my car, at least the manifold to head fixings are both Imperial. The studs into the block are UNC (as a coarse thread is better into aluminium) and the top part the nut goes onto is UNF with an Imperial sized nut. Mind you, your car is later than mine, and Jaguar did gradually change things from Imperial to metric on the engine. probably as old stocks ran out!
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I started to use metric tools on the lot but ended up stopping that, as the results were always (after they hadn't been used for a long time) that either the shoulders wore round or the tool just slipped.
100% agree

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The XJ-S is really, as Greg said, a wild mix of metric AND imperial tooled parts. So you need both kits ready by the hand when you attempt to do a task
Absolutely.
So, OB, get down there are buy that lovely set back. Your ratchet will fit any socket with the correct size stepper as needed.
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