Doug DeMuro reviews a prestine XJ-S V12
#21
It's definitely great he finally reviewed the XJS, I agree. But his review definitely had an editorial stance planned from the beginning, and he wasn't going to deviate. That thick wad of receipts he showed to imply it was unreliable? Not only is that over 30 bloody years, he pulled out ones like Bill for New Carpets. That's not a bloody reliability issue--and strongly suggests that the owners were fastidious enough to keep the car in pristine order.
Doug also does an acceleration test for all his cars, scoring them so that only something insanely powerful and expensive and new can get a good score. His ridiculous "Doug Score" ranks all cars against current ones--which means in a few years, the older scores will not mean much. A car that got a 7 for Equipment in 2015 will fall short of a 2020 car's 7 score. And it's funny that things like a full-sized spare don't count, especially with all these modern cars that don't even have one to begin with.
But yes, this was just to generate views and comments and so was made to provide a certain image. His actual Autotrader column, for people who know more about cars, was more reasoned.
Doug also does an acceleration test for all his cars, scoring them so that only something insanely powerful and expensive and new can get a good score. His ridiculous "Doug Score" ranks all cars against current ones--which means in a few years, the older scores will not mean much. A car that got a 7 for Equipment in 2015 will fall short of a 2020 car's 7 score. And it's funny that things like a full-sized spare don't count, especially with all these modern cars that don't even have one to begin with.
But yes, this was just to generate views and comments and so was made to provide a certain image. His actual Autotrader column, for people who know more about cars, was more reasoned.
#22
#23
Don't watch the video unless you have U-Block Origin or some other adblocker. Don't give him the revenue. Here's the actual scores:
Dog Scores: XJS vs. Whatever That Is
Weekend 20/50 --> 22/50
Styling: 6 ---> 5 At least it's lower. The Jag's score is based solely on forty-year-old press reports repeated ad nauseam for decades by lazy journalists.
Acc. 1 ---> 1 Fair enough, if your basis for comparison is the Bugatti Chiron Ultraturbo. Compared to which Concorde would have got a 1....
Handling: 4 ---> 5 Really? Mind you, all Dog does is accelerate and turn a few corners.
Fun Factor: 4 ---> 6 Okay, here's a challenge. Go to a Cars & Coffee, offer people there a choice of a drive in one or the other, and see what happens.
Cool Factor: 5 ---> 5 Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us a 1980s Pontiac Fiero is just as cool as a V12 Jaguar XJ-S??
Daily 21/50 ---> 20/50
Features: 2 ---> 2 Probably fair enough. It has a seat and a steering wheel. What else do you need inside?
Comfort: 6 ---> 5 That must be one comfy Ponty.
Quality: 3 ---> 5 Yeah, I'd really like to compare the reliability here. And the interior doesn't count? Leather and wood vs. fabric and cheap plastic?
Practicality: 4 ---> 2
Value: 6 ---> 6
Dog Scores: XJS vs. Whatever That Is
Weekend 20/50 --> 22/50
Styling: 6 ---> 5 At least it's lower. The Jag's score is based solely on forty-year-old press reports repeated ad nauseam for decades by lazy journalists.
Acc. 1 ---> 1 Fair enough, if your basis for comparison is the Bugatti Chiron Ultraturbo. Compared to which Concorde would have got a 1....
Handling: 4 ---> 5 Really? Mind you, all Dog does is accelerate and turn a few corners.
Fun Factor: 4 ---> 6 Okay, here's a challenge. Go to a Cars & Coffee, offer people there a choice of a drive in one or the other, and see what happens.
Cool Factor: 5 ---> 5 Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us a 1980s Pontiac Fiero is just as cool as a V12 Jaguar XJ-S??
Daily 21/50 ---> 20/50
Features: 2 ---> 2 Probably fair enough. It has a seat and a steering wheel. What else do you need inside?
Comfort: 6 ---> 5 That must be one comfy Ponty.
Quality: 3 ---> 5 Yeah, I'd really like to compare the reliability here. And the interior doesn't count? Leather and wood vs. fabric and cheap plastic?
Practicality: 4 ---> 2
Value: 6 ---> 6
#24
Come on guys, hate is such a bad word. Why? Just because he has a different opinion? He is a journalist. If you don't like him, don't listen. Don't watch. Just let him be him.
Does it offend you, that someone has 'dissed' your car? Heck, my daily is a Fiat 124 Spider. A car he said was not good. Who cares? WE know the XJ-S is a piece of stunning engineering, with some draw backs. Let him have his -wrong- opinion. That is all that counts...
Does it offend you, that someone has 'dissed' your car? Heck, my daily is a Fiat 124 Spider. A car he said was not good. Who cares? WE know the XJ-S is a piece of stunning engineering, with some draw backs. Let him have his -wrong- opinion. That is all that counts...
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Doug (08-30-2019)
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#27
Come on guys, hate is such a bad word. Why? Just because he has a different opinion? He is a journalist. If you don't like him, don't listen. Don't watch. Just let him be him.
Does it offend you, that someone has 'dissed' your car? Heck, my daily is a Fiat 124 Spider. A car he said was not good. Who cares? WE know the XJ-S is a piece of stunning engineering, with some draw backs. Let him have his -wrong- opinion. That is all that counts...
Does it offend you, that someone has 'dissed' your car? Heck, my daily is a Fiat 124 Spider. A car he said was not good. Who cares? WE know the XJ-S is a piece of stunning engineering, with some draw backs. Let him have his -wrong- opinion. That is all that counts...
#28
Of course I can hate an opinion. "Hate" is an opinion about something.
Nor are all opinions equally valid. Some are simply wrong. Like being of the opinion that drinking your own urine can cure cancer. Or that aliens are being experimented on at NASA headquarters, when it's clear that they're actually being experimented on at Area 51.
Nor are all opinions equally valid. Some are simply wrong. Like being of the opinion that drinking your own urine can cure cancer. Or that aliens are being experimented on at NASA headquarters, when it's clear that they're actually being experimented on at Area 51.
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anyoldiron (10-03-2019)
#29
Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I skimmed the video; it wasn't a Fiero vs Jaguar comparo. The scores are just his opinion at the moment so....who really cares?
I've had Jags as daily drivers for the last 22 years. I love 'em. People disparage Jags (and make fun of me for owning 'em) all them time. It doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I've learned to enjoy it. I just reply by saying "Yeah, a Jag isn't the right car for just anybody" and that always stops them in their tracks. Anyhow, no need to go tribal over Jags or any other make. At the end of the day, a Jag is still just a car. It doesn't have a heartbeat. It's not like people are talking trash about my family.
Those Fieros are pretty neat little cars, actually, especially the last 2-3 years of production. GM finally worked out the bugs and then pulled the plug! I'd love to own one, personally. But my "I'd love to own one" list has about 50 cars on it and, no, they're not all Jaguars . I love various cars for what they are, not for what they aren't.
Years ago I owned an XJS and a Ford Mustang GT simultaneously. The Mustang was, IMO, superior or equal to the Jag in many respects, as I've mentioned in the past from time to time. But, when faced with the decision on which one to sell, 'twas the Mustang that was eventually sent home with a new owner.
Cheers
DD
I've had Jags as daily drivers for the last 22 years. I love 'em. People disparage Jags (and make fun of me for owning 'em) all them time. It doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I've learned to enjoy it. I just reply by saying "Yeah, a Jag isn't the right car for just anybody" and that always stops them in their tracks. Anyhow, no need to go tribal over Jags or any other make. At the end of the day, a Jag is still just a car. It doesn't have a heartbeat. It's not like people are talking trash about my family.
Those Fieros are pretty neat little cars, actually, especially the last 2-3 years of production. GM finally worked out the bugs and then pulled the plug! I'd love to own one, personally. But my "I'd love to own one" list has about 50 cars on it and, no, they're not all Jaguars . I love various cars for what they are, not for what they aren't.
Years ago I owned an XJS and a Ford Mustang GT simultaneously. The Mustang was, IMO, superior or equal to the Jag in many respects, as I've mentioned in the past from time to time. But, when faced with the decision on which one to sell, 'twas the Mustang that was eventually sent home with a new owner.
Cheers
DD
#30
Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I skimmed the video; it wasn't a Fiero vs Jaguar comparo. The scores are just his opinion at the moment so....who really cares?
I've had Jags as daily drivers for the last 22 years. I love 'em. People disparage Jags (and make fun of me for owning 'em) all them time. It doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I've learned to enjoy it. I just reply by saying "Yeah, a Jag isn't the right car for just anybody" and that always stops them in their tracks. Anyhow, no need to go tribal over Jags or any other make. At the end of the day, a Jag is still just a car. It doesn't have a heartbeat. It's not like people are talking trash about my family.
Those Fieros are pretty neat little cars, actually, especially the last 2-3 years of production. GM finally worked out the bugs and then pulled the plug! I'd love to own one, personally. But my "I'd love to own one" list has about 50 cars on it and, no, they're not all Jaguars . I love various cars for what they are, not for what they aren't.
Years ago I owned an XJS and a Ford Mustang GT simultaneously. The Mustang was, IMO, superior or equal to the Jag in many respects, as I've mentioned in the past from time to time. But, when faced with the decision on which one to sell, 'twas the Mustang that was eventually sent home with a new owner.
Cheers
DD
I've had Jags as daily drivers for the last 22 years. I love 'em. People disparage Jags (and make fun of me for owning 'em) all them time. It doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I've learned to enjoy it. I just reply by saying "Yeah, a Jag isn't the right car for just anybody" and that always stops them in their tracks. Anyhow, no need to go tribal over Jags or any other make. At the end of the day, a Jag is still just a car. It doesn't have a heartbeat. It's not like people are talking trash about my family.
Those Fieros are pretty neat little cars, actually, especially the last 2-3 years of production. GM finally worked out the bugs and then pulled the plug! I'd love to own one, personally. But my "I'd love to own one" list has about 50 cars on it and, no, they're not all Jaguars . I love various cars for what they are, not for what they aren't.
Years ago I owned an XJS and a Ford Mustang GT simultaneously. The Mustang was, IMO, superior or equal to the Jag in many respects, as I've mentioned in the past from time to time. But, when faced with the decision on which one to sell, 'twas the Mustang that was eventually sent home with a new owner.
Cheers
DD
#34
Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I skimmed the video; it wasn't a Fiero vs Jaguar comparo. The scores are just his opinion at the moment so....who really cares?
I've had Jags as daily drivers for the last 22 years. I love 'em. People disparage Jags (and make fun of me for owning 'em) all them time. It doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I've learned to enjoy it. I just reply by saying "Yeah, a Jag isn't the right car for just anybody" and that always stops them in their tracks. Anyhow, no need to go tribal over Jags or any other make. At the end of the day, a Jag is still just a car. It doesn't have a heartbeat. It's not like people are talking trash about my family.
Those Fieros are pretty neat little cars, actually, especially the last 2-3 years of production. GM finally worked out the bugs and then pulled the plug! I'd love to own one, personally. But my "I'd love to own one" list has about 50 cars on it and, no, they're not all Jaguars . I love various cars for what they are, not for what they aren't.
Years ago I owned an XJS and a Ford Mustang GT simultaneously. The Mustang was, IMO, superior or equal to the Jag in many respects, as I've mentioned in the past from time to time. But, when faced with the decision on which one to sell, 'twas the Mustang that was eventually sent home with a new owner.
Cheers
DD
I've had Jags as daily drivers for the last 22 years. I love 'em. People disparage Jags (and make fun of me for owning 'em) all them time. It doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I've learned to enjoy it. I just reply by saying "Yeah, a Jag isn't the right car for just anybody" and that always stops them in their tracks. Anyhow, no need to go tribal over Jags or any other make. At the end of the day, a Jag is still just a car. It doesn't have a heartbeat. It's not like people are talking trash about my family.
Those Fieros are pretty neat little cars, actually, especially the last 2-3 years of production. GM finally worked out the bugs and then pulled the plug! I'd love to own one, personally. But my "I'd love to own one" list has about 50 cars on it and, no, they're not all Jaguars . I love various cars for what they are, not for what they aren't.
Years ago I owned an XJS and a Ford Mustang GT simultaneously. The Mustang was, IMO, superior or equal to the Jag in many respects, as I've mentioned in the past from time to time. But, when faced with the decision on which one to sell, 'twas the Mustang that was eventually sent home with a new owner.
Cheers
DD
.................................................. ...........................but to be fair, having owned some weird and wonderful stuff it was also the car that made me smile more than any other car. l did 350000kms in that nail, stick shift as a daily driver in the great white north. This was an all too familer sight LMAO
Cheers
Last edited by anyoldiron; 10-03-2019 at 08:52 PM.
#35
No traction control and plenty of power to break the rear tires loose. Hundreds of You Tube videos show exactly what I'm talking about
Cheers
DD
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