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Old 07-10-2013 | 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug
Oh, jeeeezzzz....it was years ago! I think it was a ported source (as opposed to contant vacuum) on the underside of the throttle body.

Or maybe above the thottle body?

Easy enough to check: you want one that doesn't have vacuum at idle but DOES have vacuum just as the throttle is cracked open.

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Do not run the vacuum pot on the bottome of the distributor to ported vacuum as the system is really a vacume retard. Meaning when vacuum is applied it will retard timing. It is ment to lessen the amount of retarded timing when the throttle is opened.
 
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Old 07-10-2013 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jag-sport
Do not run the vacuum pot on the bottome of the distributor to ported vacuum as the system is really a vacume retard. Meaning when vacuum is applied it will retard timing. It is ment to lessen the amount of retarded timing when the throttle is opened.

On HE V12 with a Lucas CEI Distributor? No, it was a vacuum *advance* type system, not vacuum retard.

I believe some of the 70s vintage V12s with the Lucas/Opus ignition were a vacuum retard type system, though.

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Old 07-29-2013 | 04:50 PM
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Default Air pump update...

I decided to try something (new air pump was 700$?!?!?)...

I took the air pump off...opened it up and "poured the liquid wrench to it. Then I put a 24" pipe wrench on it...It actually came loose!!! lol

It isn't really functioning as an "air pump", but makes a great dummy pully!!!!

Just thought I'd share...in air conditioned comfort!!!

 
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Old 04-11-2016 | 06:46 PM
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I know this is a rather old thread, but I have an 85 xjs and I'm pulling the motor soon and like the original poster I want to delete basically everything possible to give it a better look and remove any potential failure points. A/c compressor is junk so I will be removing that entire system as well.

Originally Posted by triton227
All Im running on mine is a generator, nothing else! It adds quite a bit of HP and make working on it a breeze to say the least.
So what all did you remove/plug? over run valves, air rails, air pump, a/c system, evaporator canisters? Any modifications to the crank case vent?
 
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Old 02-15-2019 | 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by triton227
All Im running on mine is a generator, nothing else! It adds quite a bit of HP and make working on it a breeze to say the least.
Hey Triton227,
Do you have any more pics on your engine and how you did your modification?
 
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Old 02-15-2019 | 02:53 AM
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Hey Triton227,
Do you have any more pics on your engine and how you did your modification?
In case you didnt notice, the post you quoted is more than 5 years old as is triton's last activity.
 
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Old 02-15-2019 | 03:07 AM
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I did notice. However, I've posted reply on other older posts and received a response from the member that was positive in results. Why would I think this should be any different?
 
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Old 02-15-2019 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JameyXJ6
Awesome! Thanks guys!
I plan on keeping the A/C, but the airpump, rails and various hoses are going bye bye.
This should make working on it somewhat easier, not to mention without the exhaust tubes coming up the back it will be easier to get to the transmission bolts.
Anything else I can eliminate while I've got the engine out? EGR, vac hoses?
Thanks again!
I have the Euro Spec Idler pulley that takes the place of the Smog Pump and provides a pulley for the AC compressor. I had it shipped from Simply Performance in the UK. I have $150 in it...I'd like to get $100 plus shipping if interested.
 
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Old 05-11-2020 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Fla Steve
I have the Euro Spec Idler pulley that takes the place of the Smog Pump and provides a pulley for the AC compressor. I had it shipped from Simply Performance in the UK. I have $150 in it...I'd like to get $100 plus shipping if interested.
Hi:
I know this is from an old post but do you still have this idler pulley kit?
Thanks
 
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Old 05-12-2020 | 10:34 AM
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Sold; but a better alternative...mount a GM SI alternator in the air pumps location. Eliminates the Bosch ribbed belt which is fitted behind the other 3 belts.
Put in an electric fan kit and eliminate the crack prone engine/pulley driven fan and you have a sweet accessible setup. I have a spare GM SI if interested.
 
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Old 05-12-2020 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Fla Steve
Sold; but a better alternative...mount a GM SI alternator in the air pumps location. Eliminates the Bosch ribbed belt which is fitted behind the other 3 belts.
Put in an electric fan kit and eliminate the crack prone engine/pulley driven fan and you have a sweet accessible setup. I have a spare GM SI if interested.
Do you have pics of this? Iv been wanting to rearrange the engine I can't stand the ugly fred flinstone era AC compressor either. A modern unit could fit where oem alt sits?
 
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Old 05-12-2020 | 02:30 PM
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Ok thanks for the reply and advice.
 
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Old 05-14-2020 | 05:10 PM
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Does anyone know if eliminating the air pump on the 6.0L V12 in a 1994 XJ12 will create a check engine light or other sensor issue? Everything I've read seems to indicate this wouldn't be an issue, but most of the forum discussion is regarding the 5.3L. Thanks.
 
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Old 05-15-2020 | 01:58 AM
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I am sure it will not. Even if the system is working, it runs for less than a minute from a cold start.
 
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Old 05-15-2020 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by XJ6Paul
Does anyone know if eliminating the air pump on the 6.0L V12 in a 1994 XJ12 will create a check engine light or other sensor issue? Everything I've read seems to indicate this wouldn't be an issue, but most of the forum discussion is regarding the 5.3L. Thanks.
AFAIK....

On-board monitoring of the air injection system began with the 1995 cars and the introduction of OBDII. I don't think the car has any way of 'knowing' if the pump is in place and working or not.

I'm with Greg. I don't think you'll have a problem

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Old 01-24-2023 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug
AFAIK....

On-board monitoring of the air injection system began with the 1995 cars and the introduction of OBDII. I don't think the car has any way of 'knowing' if the pump is in place and working or not.

I'm with Greg. I don't think you'll have a problem

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I have removed it from my 94 V12 6.0 and it does indeed throw a fault code so the check engine light is on permanently. Just an FYI. I will probably put it back on.
 
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Old 01-25-2023 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kansanbrit
I have removed it from my 94 V12 6.0 and it does indeed throw a fault code so the check engine light is on permanently. Just an FYI. I will probably put it back on.
Same year / car / problem - would love to find a solution!
 
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Old 01-26-2023 | 03:36 PM
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yep. check out my thread. lots of pictures. but you will see one pic of all the stuff I ripped out.

Alt is now where the pump sat. down to 2 fans from 4. (e fans now)
 
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Old 01-26-2023 | 04:07 PM
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I think the problem on the later cars - such as the '94 - is how the O2 sensors react when they don't sense the air being dumped into the exhaust; but I may misunderstand how the circuit and O2 sensors work.
 
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Old 01-27-2023 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by uspurs
Same year / car / problem - would love to find a solution!
We probably need an EPROM copy from a Euro version of the ECU.
 



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