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When you had everything apart, did you renew all the vac lines under the passenger's manifold?
I also suggest just buying a new CTS. They're only $20. If no difference, then you've got a spare for when it DOES die.
Did you replace the plug wires yet? That could be an issue.
I dunno...I know you've already replaced it but I'm leaning towards ECU.
I also suggest just buying a new CTS. They're only $20. If no difference, then you've got a spare for when it DOES die.
Did you replace the plug wires yet? That could be an issue.
I dunno...I know you've already replaced it but I'm leaning towards ECU.
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The coolant sensor resistances are normal for cold and operating temp. Did you verify the readings at the ECU or just the sensor?
The 15" of vacuum was it steady?
Well when the engine is at operating temp the O2 sensors should go into closed loop. Did you measure the O2 sensor volts?
If you unplug the TPS you can rule that out too.
Warm up the engine let it die. Then remove a spark plug. Is it wet?
Here is a list of possible causes based on your symptom description. I listed the test(s) to verify and rule out the items.
Firing order- verify
Timing- TDC check and set with van gauge
Rotor- close inspection for burn through to shaft
Cap- carbon tracking
O2 sensors- when at temp the voltage should fluctuate between .1v(lean) and .9v(rich)
if it is running real rich but reads .1v that can be a problem
Low compression- compression test
Valve timing-remove cam covers and check camshaft timing per manual
Plugged/restricted exhaust- rev the engine to 3000 rpm and watch vacuum gauge it should stay steady, not drop
Coolant temp sensor-verify readings at sensor and ECU connector, pin 5 and 19
Wiring - use DVOM to verify every wire between ECU connector and input/output
enrichment pot on ECU- center the adjustment pot
injector wiring- is the correct group of 3 firing at the right time
Fuel pressure - connect fuel gauge to inlet hose while car is running or fuel pump is running
ECU- substitute known good ECU
TPS - verify voltage set correctly at idle and recheck at ECU connector with ECU plugged in
Ignition module- cool off with freeze spray or cold water
Engine ground - use jumper cable to add redundant ground as a test
This is all I can think of. If I have more I will add to it.
The 15" of vacuum was it steady?
Well when the engine is at operating temp the O2 sensors should go into closed loop. Did you measure the O2 sensor volts?
If you unplug the TPS you can rule that out too.
Warm up the engine let it die. Then remove a spark plug. Is it wet?
Here is a list of possible causes based on your symptom description. I listed the test(s) to verify and rule out the items.
Firing order- verify
Timing- TDC check and set with van gauge
Rotor- close inspection for burn through to shaft
Cap- carbon tracking
O2 sensors- when at temp the voltage should fluctuate between .1v(lean) and .9v(rich)
if it is running real rich but reads .1v that can be a problem
Low compression- compression test
Valve timing-remove cam covers and check camshaft timing per manual
Plugged/restricted exhaust- rev the engine to 3000 rpm and watch vacuum gauge it should stay steady, not drop
Coolant temp sensor-verify readings at sensor and ECU connector, pin 5 and 19
Wiring - use DVOM to verify every wire between ECU connector and input/output
enrichment pot on ECU- center the adjustment pot
injector wiring- is the correct group of 3 firing at the right time
Fuel pressure - connect fuel gauge to inlet hose while car is running or fuel pump is running
ECU- substitute known good ECU
TPS - verify voltage set correctly at idle and recheck at ECU connector with ECU plugged in
Ignition module- cool off with freeze spray or cold water
Engine ground - use jumper cable to add redundant ground as a test
This is all I can think of. If I have more I will add to it.
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Firing order- verified
Timing- checked
Rotor- closely inspected
Cap- checked
O2 sensors- ~.7v
Low compression- not checked
Valve timing- not checked
Plugged/restricted exhaust- good flow... really REALLY loud.
Coolant temp sensor- verified at sensor, not at ECU
Wiring - not checked.
enrichment pot on ECU- centerered
injector wiring- pulses are correct.
Fuel pressure - not checked.
ECU- this is my 3rd one... so it just can't be the ECU.
TPS - .38v at idle. 3.98v at WOT. steady increase across the board.
Ignition module- not getting hot.
Engine ground - good ground from passenger manifold to chassis.
Timing- checked
Rotor- closely inspected
Cap- checked
O2 sensors- ~.7v
Low compression- not checked
Valve timing- not checked
Plugged/restricted exhaust- good flow... really REALLY loud.
Coolant temp sensor- verified at sensor, not at ECU
Wiring - not checked.
enrichment pot on ECU- centerered
injector wiring- pulses are correct.
Fuel pressure - not checked.
ECU- this is my 3rd one... so it just can't be the ECU.
TPS - .38v at idle. 3.98v at WOT. steady increase across the board.
Ignition module- not getting hot.
Engine ground - good ground from passenger manifold to chassis.
Last edited by M90power; 05-21-2012 at 09:06 PM.
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the engine seemed to straighten up quite a bit once i started advancing the timing. so i went full advance with about 20-25 in/hg on the ECU baffles (not connected to the engine) and it seemed to straighten up and even out.
heres where it gets weird. the intakes were reading 15 in/hg. i reconnected the ECU to the engine, and the rpm's died down to about 800 and the vacuum dropped to less than 5 in/hg, causing the engine to die.
heres where it gets weird. the intakes were reading 15 in/hg. i reconnected the ECU to the engine, and the rpm's died down to about 800 and the vacuum dropped to less than 5 in/hg, causing the engine to die.
This must be worth investigating.
- If you disconnect the vac take-off from the crossover pipe, and pull a vacuum at the ECU end of the pipe, does it hold?
- Go carefully round both intake manifolds and block off every single pipe except the vac advance pipe.
Greg
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To clarify, was it the AAV tube at the backside of the left air filter housing that you blocked off with a coolant bottle cap?
Is the elbow to the rear of the intake manifold still in place? Is the hose to the distributor vent still in place?
If the answers to all these questions is "yes" you'll want to disconnect the distributor vent hose from the AAV hose...or you'll end up with a distributor cap full of engine oil!
Cheers
DD
Is the elbow to the rear of the intake manifold still in place? Is the hose to the distributor vent still in place?
If the answers to all these questions is "yes" you'll want to disconnect the distributor vent hose from the AAV hose...or you'll end up with a distributor cap full of engine oil!
Cheers
DD
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my distributor cap hoses are already disconnected. thanks to the previous owners engineering prowess. the elbow from the AAV to the manifold disitigrated in my hand, so i blocked the manifold with the only thing i had. a coolant bottle cap. i was planning on either replacing the hose to the AAV or bypassing it alltogether and having it plugged professionally.
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