Help! What is this?
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Help! What is this?
In the process of replacing the spark plugs on my '89 XJS convertible, I found a several small bits red insulation around the A6 plug. They appear to have come from the left hand of the two pipe connectors circled in yellow in the attached photos, which is damaged.
Which begs the question, what are these connectors and why are they there? And could they be the source of the copious amounts of oil residue in between the two cylinder banks?
As far as what caused the damage, I suspect the mice that left a plethora of droppings in Death Valley.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Which begs the question, what are these connectors and why are they there? And could they be the source of the copious amounts of oil residue in between the two cylinder banks?
As far as what caused the damage, I suspect the mice that left a plethora of droppings in Death Valley.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Those red hoses are part of the air injection system. I only know that because thats about where I am with my XJS. It does look like mice damage unfortunately. I have to assume the hoses are red to indicate that they are not normal heater hose material. Perhaps High Temp. Not sure otherwise.
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By the way, please stuff some rags into those holes that the injectors have been removed from! If you get a nut or something dropped down there it will ruin your month!
Last edited by Greg in France; 04-03-2020 at 05:56 AM.
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Some of this crud surrounded the old spark plugs, which I tried to remove to the best of my ability using rags, toothbrushes and Q tips. I could see extensive rust on many of the old spark plugs, so I used a liberal amount of nut penetrating oil to prevent the plugs from breaking off when I removed them. Having no prior service records, I assumed the spark plugs were original to the vehicle.
Unfortunately, the penetrating oil dissolved the crud into a sludge, some of which I believe seeped down the spark plug threads. You can see some of this sludge residue on the threads of the old plugs in the photo below — particularly the 2 in the bottom left.
Before installing the new plugs, I carefully cleaned the spark plug holes and threads. I tried to exercise extreme caution, but some of them are difficult to access (especially A1, A2, B1 B2). So it’s possible (likely?) that some small amount of this crud/sludge fell down into the cylinders.
So now what? Is there anything I can do now other than pray?!?!
Thanks in advance for your help!
PS - I will also immediately put rags in the injector holes before I do even more damage than I’ve already done...
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Sludge and goo won't hurt a thing. As Greg says, it'll burn off.
You certainly don't want anything hard and non-combustible falling into cylinders such as a stray washer or nut. Or something gritty like sand.
I don't wish to sound alarmist but there is possibly some cause for concern. Working on a V12 can be a little tricky. I've been into a few V12 vee-areas and found all manner of stray washers and bits that have been dropped in the course of previous repairs, some of them quite tiny. Hell, I've dropped a few myself. Sometimes it's easier to grab a new one rather than fuss about finding and retrieving the one you dropped. Anyhow, you obviously don't want anything like this falling into the cylinders.
You probably don't have anything to worry about. But, if it'll make you sleep more easily, you can rig up your shop vacuum to suck out any tiny bits that might have fallen in. Use duct tape (and a bit of imagination) to affix a length of fuel hose to your shop vac hose. This can then be inserted right into the spark plug holes and rotated about. It'll pick up any tiny debris. Larger bits, if any, may not pass through the fuel hose but will at least be captured by the suction and can be withdrawn. Been there, done that !
Cheers
DD
You certainly don't want anything hard and non-combustible falling into cylinders such as a stray washer or nut. Or something gritty like sand.
I don't wish to sound alarmist but there is possibly some cause for concern. Working on a V12 can be a little tricky. I've been into a few V12 vee-areas and found all manner of stray washers and bits that have been dropped in the course of previous repairs, some of them quite tiny. Hell, I've dropped a few myself. Sometimes it's easier to grab a new one rather than fuss about finding and retrieving the one you dropped. Anyhow, you obviously don't want anything like this falling into the cylinders.
You probably don't have anything to worry about. But, if it'll make you sleep more easily, you can rig up your shop vacuum to suck out any tiny bits that might have fallen in. Use duct tape (and a bit of imagination) to affix a length of fuel hose to your shop vac hose. This can then be inserted right into the spark plug holes and rotated about. It'll pick up any tiny debris. Larger bits, if any, may not pass through the fuel hose but will at least be captured by the suction and can be withdrawn. Been there, done that !
Cheers
DD
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Greg in France (04-03-2020)
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My spark plug holes are every bit as bad as the description of those pictured. Probably the same mixture of ingredients too. My thought was to put a round wire brush on a drill in the plug hole and a running shop vac in the intake port. Seems to me as long as theres constant air flow, nothing too bad will settle into the cylinders.
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As far as removing the air injection system, can you point us to a diagram of the system? Despite having taken a pic of the motor after each part I removed, I feel like I could use an "omission playbook" if only for what to leave IN. >>>Maybe I just need to go out and have another staring session.... In any case, thanks for the hint.
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As far as removing the air injection system, can you point us to a diagram of the system? Despite having taken a pic of the motor after each part I removed, I feel like I could use an "omission playbook" if only for what to leave IN. >>>Maybe I just need to go out and have another staring session.... In any case, thanks for the hint.
Diagram here;
https://parts.jaguarlandroverclassic.../brand/jaguar/
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jerry_hoback (04-04-2020)
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FYI, the thin pipes that go into the inlet manifold actually lead through it to the exhaust ports, downstream of the exhaust valve. So capping the hole with a threaded metal bolt or similar is important, rather than (eg) a rubber bung.
FYI, the thin pipes that go into the inlet manifold actually lead through it to the exhaust ports, downstream of the exhaust valve. So capping the hole with a threaded metal bolt or similar is important, rather than (eg) a rubber bung.
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