imagination and ideas needed
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James, first off, kudos!
The way that formula one seats are made in Europe is the driver sits into a bag of conforming beads with a resin / Hardner inside of a large plastic bag. The persons body creates the depression on the outside of the bag, and the mix hardens in minutes. Just a thought, but maybe a few bags of bean bag filler (the ones my kids have have small styrofoam beads) and some sort of resin / Hardner mix and you have a conformed shape that could support your friend. Once hardened, you could shape the backside to fit your racing bucket and devise the helmet system.
A thought on that, I have a helmet support pad that encircles the neck and is intended to severely limit head movement. I used it for racing and a couple demolition Derbys.
I'd be more than happy to send it along for you to use.
The way that formula one seats are made in Europe is the driver sits into a bag of conforming beads with a resin / Hardner inside of a large plastic bag. The persons body creates the depression on the outside of the bag, and the mix hardens in minutes. Just a thought, but maybe a few bags of bean bag filler (the ones my kids have have small styrofoam beads) and some sort of resin / Hardner mix and you have a conformed shape that could support your friend. Once hardened, you could shape the backside to fit your racing bucket and devise the helmet system.
A thought on that, I have a helmet support pad that encircles the neck and is intended to severely limit head movement. I used it for racing and a couple demolition Derbys.
I'd be more than happy to send it along for you to use.
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plums (03-01-2013)
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I found a set of race buckets on Craigslist. With some adjustment and the use of the expanding foam idea, I think they would work. Considering they aren't in the car, I could actually bring them inside and modify them to his body structure.
You folks have some great ideas!
You folks have some great ideas!
The collar mentioned by xjsfever sounds good. You may have something similar on your premises. Something like a whiplash collar.
Remember also that being able to extract your patient quickly is important. This is in the unlikely event of something catastrophic happening where the occupants must exit quickly.
.... good luck and I wish you success in this endeavour!
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JameyXJ6 (03-01-2013)
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I think Plum's idea is sound.
We did some work many years ago (assisted co-incidentally by Stirling Moss) on people with severe head injuries to reduce the occurrence of pressure sores by foaming a cast.
The problem was absorbing sweat. The foam also got quite hot when curing but that may well have changed.
The process will probably be too expensive(maybe less than a custom seat though) but for short term use would give excellent results.
Without being silly it might even be possible to foam in a helmet to improve head restraint.
We did some work many years ago (assisted co-incidentally by Stirling Moss) on people with severe head injuries to reduce the occurrence of pressure sores by foaming a cast.
The problem was absorbing sweat. The foam also got quite hot when curing but that may well have changed.
The process will probably be too expensive(maybe less than a custom seat though) but for short term use would give excellent results.
Without being silly it might even be possible to foam in a helmet to improve head restraint.
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Sounds like a great idea.
Just a thought, everyone is concerned about the upper body. You may also need to consider some sort of attachment points for leg braces.
Legs are heavy and will flop around if unsecured.
With your foam ideas maybe elongate the seat squab to include a couple of strap attachment points for his legs.
Also with the helmet, if it is possible, go for a pro cyclist type with slots so that he will be able to hear and feel the wind and have an even better new experience.
I've cared for a disabled parent all my life (with wheelchair), when I was young and had my Spitfire we lowered my mum into it, literally tied her in, roof off and went for a long blast over the moors. 30 years later now at 80 she still recounts the experience.
I hope that you can arrive at a solution. You certainly have the moral support of everyone here.
Just a thought, everyone is concerned about the upper body. You may also need to consider some sort of attachment points for leg braces.
Legs are heavy and will flop around if unsecured.
With your foam ideas maybe elongate the seat squab to include a couple of strap attachment points for his legs.
Also with the helmet, if it is possible, go for a pro cyclist type with slots so that he will be able to hear and feel the wind and have an even better new experience.
I've cared for a disabled parent all my life (with wheelchair), when I was young and had my Spitfire we lowered my mum into it, literally tied her in, roof off and went for a long blast over the moors. 30 years later now at 80 she still recounts the experience.
I hope that you can arrive at a solution. You certainly have the moral support of everyone here.
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I'm hoping to avoid the use of a helmet with similar straps and braces around his forehead. I'm thinking a simple neck brace would stabilize vertical movement, and with a wrap around brace and a strap to control lateral movement.
The first ride would obviously be a gentle cruise around the campus. Then modifications and adjustments before making any "road trips".
The first ride would obviously be a gentle cruise around the campus. Then modifications and adjustments before making any "road trips".
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Installing racing seats are not always easy. As I noted before, find the local SCCA organization, who will probably find someone to donate their time and has the experience of mounting racing buckets in various cars. You'll find interesting and friendly people in the organization and they will also know how to install a harness to keep your passenger safe. Their installation may even help with the insurance your organization may need for the adventure. Besides, with a clean install by these pros, your car can be returned to normal very quickly too!
#30
I'm pretty good at fabrication and intend to make seat brackets that bolt into the existing floor holes. The rest will be adjustments in the seat incline. I've found a Kirkey racing seat for $60 + $20 shipping. I'm bringing it to work with me where we'll fit it to him using foam wedges, then I'll have it covered over.
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consider getting a pair of coveralls or jump suit that fits him and adding ( sewing on) belts/straps that would allow you to "attach" your copilot to his seat... put several on the suit to allow multiple attach points for stability... shoulder, sides, legs, etc.
maybe use a riding helmet with a chin strap too, add some straps to secure the helmet to the headrest.
if you pick cool colors, he'll look like you picked him up from polo practice...
maybe use a riding helmet with a chin strap too, add some straps to secure the helmet to the headrest.
if you pick cool colors, he'll look like you picked him up from polo practice...
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Any kind of one piece suit or even regualr pants won't work. His legs have contracted, which means his muscles have withdrawn to the point where he is in a permanent cross legged position. He's practically sitting on his heels and his legs won't unbend.
I was thinking of getting a jaguar jacket for him to wear and maybe a tweed hat?
I was thinking of getting a jaguar jacket for him to wear and maybe a tweed hat?
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His wheelchair has its own seat belt and when he's in the van they just lock the wheels down so it can't move and that's how he rides.
I think I can use the mounts for the factory seatbelt for the main restraint, and make the rest to just keep him still. The Occupational Therapy and Physical Therapy Depts are supposed to meet with me to discuss this and any ideas they come up with.
The Kirkey seat should be here hopefully within a week or so. I'm hoping to borrow someones GoPro dash cam that has a sound recorder too so we can record this for him.
I think I can use the mounts for the factory seatbelt for the main restraint, and make the rest to just keep him still. The Occupational Therapy and Physical Therapy Depts are supposed to meet with me to discuss this and any ideas they come up with.
The Kirkey seat should be here hopefully within a week or so. I'm hoping to borrow someones GoPro dash cam that has a sound recorder too so we can record this for him.
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I'm thinking he might need a jacket to protect him from the wind...what do you think?
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Jaguar Jacket Jackets Coat Coats Motor Sport Automobile Racing Size M L XL XXL | eBay
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The Kirkey racing seat is scheduled to be delivered today (Friday) and I'll bring it to work with me to be fitted. I took a close look at his wheelchair and realized I may have to fabricate some cradles for his arms. I don't think it will be to difficult though, using a piece of 4 inch pvc pipe cut in half lengthways and padded with foam.