I would Buy a I6 XJS and stuff an Austin Martin V12 in it!... that is the V12 that Ford bestowed Austin with and Withheld from JAGUAR (BOO HISSS!) the Austin martin V12 uses What steering rack that you can bolt into your XJS and WHAT rear end and diff...
YEAH we were HOSED!

 

that would probably reduce weight by 100lbs over the front wheels!

Aston Martin V12 nice engine, Ford dont make no junk, over 400HP stock.

the Jag V12 is a very old design, complete engine around 750lbs, and hard to make serious power!

 

That V12 was essentially two Ford V6s welded together. Superb engine, but it was developed too late in the XJSs life cycle, plus from the Manufacturer's perspective, the prices Astons can command in the market place has always been far higher than most Jaguar's can.
Greg

 

People won't pay the same price for a Jag as they would for an Aston.

I mean, Jaguars have to be priced more 'domestically' as they aim for the mass market opposed to the niche market...

 

I can buy a used v12 Auston around $46k have seen the older ones with one 400hp down to $26.9k ( believe it or not Bobby Rahal's' old Austin)(Mileage: 79,486)( I would Buy that! if I was a MGTOW)
the newer the model year the higher the Hp out put...
also they started the convertibles with the same baby buggy boot (like our convt. XJS) and then when to the more completely hidden modern look later...

 

Yes, yes, that's nice. Uhmmm, how much for the yellow P1800? Is that an "e"?

 

Going by the split bumper at the front, it should be an early P1800 built by Jensen in GB. The only British Volvos

The E was only added later to differ it from the Swedish built P1800S...

 

The DB7 is basically an XJS with the Aston V12 stuffed in it. So the works done for you!

 

You're not wrong about that. But while the comparable XK8/XKR is certainly not lacking in the luxury department, with leather everything, a tree's worth of wood, premium sound, gizmos and gadgets aplenty, the Aston's just take it up a whole other notch. Enough at least to be noticeable and "justify" to their customer base charging 1.5x-2x more than the sister company's offerings at the time. There's an old Top Gear video floating around of Tiff Needell thrashing an XKR-R concept and comparing it to the Aston DB7 which demonstrates exactly what Jaguar was capable of, but never allowed to do, due to Ford-era red tape.

 

Aston and Austin are poles apart as I see it.


There was a man from Boston that bought a brand new Austin ! He had room for his a.. and a gallon of gas, but, his b..,'s hung out and he lost them.

 

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Carl , i love it HA HA<LOL>

 

Don't be too hard on Ford. They paid 2 billion for Jaguar (about 10 times its real value) and then they pumped about another 6 billion into it, and lost the lot. Without Ford, no Jaguar, that's for sure. What ford did do was to vastly improve Jaguar's car and production engineering. What I am waiting for is to see what Jaguar's next generational set of models will be like now it is solely down to TATA (the current owners) to develop them. Current models are all basically all results of the Ford-ownership development pipeline.


Also, Jaguar's USP has always been very good value pricing. It does not matter in the market, AT ALL, whether a Jaguar XK is a better car than an Aston. People will just not pay Aston prices for any Jaguar. The DB7 is basically identical to the post-XJS XK8, but with a supercharged 6 in it, which is not the most refines of motors. The prices it commands were and are way higher than the Jaguars.


Greg

 

And here it comes, not only does the DB7 use the exact XJ-S platform (wheelbase and axles are identical) but the engineis also a Jaguar engine. The 3.2l SC I6 is an AJ16. And the styling was actually intended for a Jag... Jaguar didn't like the looks, so Ian Callum gave it some tweaks and it was sent to Aston Martin... And it is the most successful AM to date...

So a Jaguar is the saviour of Aston Martin...

 

I see Ford and Tata in different perspectives.


1. Ford wanted a big time world name. First choice was Ferrari. Enzo turned them down.
Ford honcho got po'd. Put the Ford guy's and $'s on the line. Objective, "whip his a... at Lemans. GT40 powered by a sturdy "old tech" NASCAR 427. And some pricey "shoes" to drive 'em. 1.2 &3 !!!


2. Jaguar. Surely a big time world name. Oh, s..., antique factory and dam... near no quality control. $'s fixed a lot. And production engineering know how.


3. Enter Tata. Jaguar engineering and production skills as good as or better than theirs. Money not so much. Add TATA money and enter world class car making.


Carl

 

If Ford had put a little more into the brand, not much, just a little, and lifted all the limits the company was given, then the results Tata is having would have been achieved a long time ago...

 

TATA is making money from LandRover, in spadefuls. Not from Jaguar sales, which are not particularly good. Only around 50,000 units in 2016, I have a feeling.
Greg

 

You may be right Carl, but my belief is, sadly, that TATA will not make decent money from Jaguar, and certainly not at the approx. 50,000 annual all-model sales mark they are at now. Neither do I believe TATA have the financial resources or knowhow to develop a next generation of Jaguar models that will be able to rival their market sector leaders, all of whom sell vastly higher numbers.
I do not wish to sound pessimistic, but I have a feeling that my generation (post war bulge babies) are the last that had the Jaguar fairy dust sprinkled on them. Most people in their 40s just do not see a Jaguar in the same light as we do.
Greg

 

Not actually quite there Greg...

Jaguar in Europe
2016: 67.134
2015: 39.383
2014: 28.796

On top of that come all the US models and ROW though ROW is hard to determin...

Jaguar in USA
2016: 31.243
2015: 14.466
2014: 15.773

I think that those numbers show some massive growth just for Jaguar.

JLR as a complete group just passed the 500.000 units in 2016. Obviously you won't be seeing 300k units made by Jaguar, but the brand is growing massivly and undeniably...

And here the figures from JLR...

http://media.jaguarlandrover.com/new...ets-new-record

 

Greg and Daim:


Too bad, or is it ?


1. Over a decade or so, before I retired, I represented an insurance company client at a judicial "Settlement Conference". My client's insured was a wealthy Marin County lady. Her spoiled teen daughter wearing stylish clods drove Mama's bimmer. On SF's famed GG bridge she "rear ended" an Irish lad on his Buell motor cycle. He was on hs way to work as a tech at a big time Jaguar dealer. Oh, me, only $'s to talk about. And my female colleagues were drooling over him !!! And I got it, not only good looking, but a genuinely nice guy.


In a side bar, he admitted, that once on the lift one Jaguar badged critter was the same as Ford's Taurus !!!


And, that in past years, half of the dealer's repair floor space was for Lump conversions !!




An amicable and reasonable settlement was reached. My client and another one or more funded the purchase of an annuity. The Irish lad received a guaranteed periodic
payment.


Oh, no more two wheeled critters for him. Four at a minimum !!


I and my client were pleased. My gal colleagues, not so much ! Or were they?
Afterwards.... ???


Carl

 

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carl you might say, (Jaguar/Ford engineering).