My 92 XJS Conv Build Thread
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You are right JT, it is a broken record, your distain for what I am doing is well documented over & over & I did not have a problem with you hijacking the thread to talk about the exhaust, but come on, you are responding to every post like Mustang Sixes who are talking to me. Go start your own thread to tell everybody how much you hate what alot of Jag owners are doing or better yet go out & drive your perfect v12!
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Sir, you are now getting personal...and THAT is not tolerated on the Forum. My post were to the point and even pointed out in an almost apologetic fashion that I knew what I was up to...ie, broken record...highjack mode....in closing, if you're going to put a Chevy engine in a Jaguar you may want to grow a thicker skin and please refrain from taking this to a personal level. If you've a problem with me or my posts while on this forum then I suggest you alert a moderator.
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I am very sorry I offended the purests & I completely understand the thinking. I do not want to hurt anybodys feelings but comparing a v-12 Jag engine to a small block Chevy is like comparing Rosie O'Donnell to a supermodel!
If the car would have been running when I bought it, I might have tried to keep the misrable v-12 running for a while, but that is not what I wanted. I wanted the look of the XKS conv, The Jag handling but with the dependability of the chevy engine
If the car would have been running when I bought it, I might have tried to keep the misrable v-12 running for a while, but that is not what I wanted. I wanted the look of the XKS conv, The Jag handling but with the dependability of the chevy engine
Don't apologize, It is your car to do as you please. Good luck and keep us posted.
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I would always rather see a complete and proper running XJS or E type including original engines rather than "lumped" ones, however I would also rather see "lumped" XJS's and E types rather than ones pancaked by a crusher or parted out.
There was another member who used a Supra engine. IMO, that seemed more appropriate if one is going to "lump"
Good luck with your project.
There was another member who used a Supra engine. IMO, that seemed more appropriate if one is going to "lump"
Good luck with your project.
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Whilst pondering on this thread I wondered why you would change to a smaller engine (as in cylinder numbers) and whether the States had ever produced a V12 engine (excuse my ignorance if it is common knowledge).
Did a quick search and found this
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GMC 702 ci (11.5 litres), now that is the way to do an engine change and if it doesn't fit in the front then stick it in the back!
It sounds just like I imagined 1 1/2 V8s would sound.
Did a quick search and found this
![](http://www.thunderv12.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/resize_crop.306130052_std.jpg)
GMC 702 ci (11.5 litres), now that is the way to do an engine change and if it doesn't fit in the front then stick it in the back!
It sounds just like I imagined 1 1/2 V8s would sound.
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No one ever said anyone wasn't welcome plums...at least not in any of my posts. I simply was trying to defend the V-12's position. I don't feel your input was necessary at all. In other words as Norri put it...you were not "adding" anything to the thread but you were simply "piling" on.
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Whilst pondering on this thread I wondered why you would change to a smaller engine (as in cylinder numbers) and whether the States had ever produced a V12 engine (excuse my ignorance if it is common knowledge).
Did a quick search and found this
![](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/attachments/xjs-x27-32/29347-my-92-xjs-conv-build-thread-resize_crop.306130052_std.jpg?dateline=1357219705)
GMC 702 ci (11.5 litres), now that is the way to do an engine change and if it doesn't fit in the front then stick it in the back!
ThunderV12 GMC 702 ci V12 engine on the dyno. ThunderV12.com - YouTube
It sounds just like I imagined 1 1/2 V8s would sound.
Did a quick search and found this
![](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/attachments/xjs-x27-32/29347-my-92-xjs-conv-build-thread-resize_crop.306130052_std.jpg?dateline=1357219705)
GMC 702 ci (11.5 litres), now that is the way to do an engine change and if it doesn't fit in the front then stick it in the back!
ThunderV12 GMC 702 ci V12 engine on the dyno. ThunderV12.com - YouTube
It sounds just like I imagined 1 1/2 V8s would sound.
My father worked for GMC trucks as a mechanic from 1960 into the late 80's so I am familiar with these engines, there are only a few around (they never made very many) This is basically 2 of the large v-6 engines mated together, the v-6's had displacements from 305 cu in up to over 400 cu in. These engine were used in many big trucks before the deisel became very popular.
As for why anyone would put an engine with less cylinders, in this case less is definetly better.... More horse power at a much cheaper price, way more dependable & my XJS will weigh 400-500 lbs less making the handling alot better
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Nah, more cylinders is definitely better but then maybe I'm spoilt working on Fast Cats with 4 x V20 engines (even if they are diesels).
Good idea to mate 2 engines together as you avoid a lot of tooling costs for a brand new engine.
Or you could put one engine in the front and one in the back giving you a 4 x 4 option.
Good idea to mate 2 engines together as you avoid a lot of tooling costs for a brand new engine.
Or you could put one engine in the front and one in the back giving you a 4 x 4 option.
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Let's look at it this way....for some reason no one would dare post on a Camaro site they were dropping a Ford engine in one or in the same vein no one would put on a Mustang Forum they were putting a SB Chevy in one of those or worse yet a SB Chevy in a Chrysler/Plymouth Muscle car and then put it up on their enthusiest Forum....not without dramatic negative remarks. For some reason people have made it "mainstream" to drop an Chevy/Ford "lump" in a Jaguar..........puzzles me. I don't like it...not going to tip toe around the subject. If I've violated any forum polcies also, any monitor can pull my plug. I don't wish anyone anyone any ill will, just very opinionated on this particular subject.
i think its great that someone is taking an XJS and bringing it back to life. the more the merrier IMHO. i dont want to see every V12 XJS out there with issues put into storage and eaten by rodents, time, and corrosion.
sure there is always the argument, which im sure your preparing as you read this, that a properly maintained V12 is a great car. i agree. but how many properly maintained V12's are there? few i imagine.
not everyone has the TME and expertise to repair a botched V12. wish i had been able to get mine running. no one can say i didnt give it my best shot. ill be happier with my blown 6 and overdrive, but it might not sound as good.
EDIT: to say there are plenty of guys who ditch those asthmatic mustang 302's and 4.6's for SBC's. ive never seen anyone put a ford engine in a chevy though. lol
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No one ever said anyone wasn't welcome plums...at least not in any of my posts. I simply was trying to defend the V-12's position. I don't feel your input was necessary at all. In other words as Norri put it...you were not "adding" anything to the thread but you were simply "piling" on.
I think the three Mods that have replied to this thread just sensed a slight lack of the gentlemanly conduct we try so hard to maintain.
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+1 on that Steve, I believe that Plums was right also.
JT - Your " defence" of the V12 is admirable but no one was attacking it as far as I can see, simply stating it was old, tired and other options were available.
If you have nothing constructive to add then please allow the thread to continue uninterrupted, thank you.
Billsautoworks - Please note as I'm sure you already know, that some of our members may not agree with your decision to replace the engine, but then again just as many will agree and or understand why you are doing this.
Its your car at the end of the day and up to you what you decide to do with it. Please, by all means continue your thread and let us know how it goes. I'm sure you'll get more comments from various other members, with some positive, some neutral and perhaps a few negatives too.
No matter which though, they should all be matter of fact and not personal!
Now please lets get back on topic with this thread
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Plums wad 'adding' his opinion that one can be a serious purist or put the works from a Fordson tractor in ones car and, in either event, not risk approbation.
I think the three Mods that have replied to this thread just sensed a slight lack of the gentlemanly conduct we try so hard to maintain.
I think the three Mods that have replied to this thread just sensed a slight lack of the gentlemanly conduct we try so hard to maintain.
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You are right JT, it is a broken record, your distain for what I am doing is well documented over & over & I did not have a problem with you hijacking the thread to talk about the exhaust, but come on, you are responding to every post like Mustang Sixes who are talking to me. Go start your own thread to tell everybody how much you hate what alot of Jag owners are doing or better yet go out & drive your perfect v12!
When three Mods and Jim the Boss weigh in it isn't a matter of 'Let's all sing from the same hymn sheet'.
We're genuinely trying to keep things sweet.
If you want to resign - well I personally would be sorry to see you go.
As far as getting banned is concerned I can see no reason to do so - but bear in mind Jim 'owns' this Forum and can do whatever he thinks is right.
I had a spat with the 'Establishment' some time ago and they behaved superbly.
Sleep on it and let's all be good friends in the morning.
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[QUOTE=Mish_Mish;650111]Hi neighbor!
I was wondering, since you are not going to be changing everything to V8 setup and such, is there good fuel tank with no rust for sale perhaps?[/QUOTE
Sorry Sir,
I will be using the original fuel tank, I will remove the electric pump becuase the engine will have a mechanical pump on it. I will have alot of pieces for sale in the near future, but I think I will wait until my kit arrives just in case I need something I did not count on.
On another note, I have no problem with anybody whose opinion differs with mine & I do not want to see anybody banned unless the Mods deem it absolutely necessary, but it would be nice to post my progress on my Xjs without constant bashing by the same person with the intent to distroy the thread
Thank you
Bill
I was wondering, since you are not going to be changing everything to V8 setup and such, is there good fuel tank with no rust for sale perhaps?[/QUOTE
Sorry Sir,
I will be using the original fuel tank, I will remove the electric pump becuase the engine will have a mechanical pump on it. I will have alot of pieces for sale in the near future, but I think I will wait until my kit arrives just in case I need something I did not count on.
On another note, I have no problem with anybody whose opinion differs with mine & I do not want to see anybody banned unless the Mods deem it absolutely necessary, but it would be nice to post my progress on my Xjs without constant bashing by the same person with the intent to distroy the thread
Thank you
Bill