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Probable second fuel leak, H&E convertible

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Old 09-28-2023, 01:57 PM
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I hadn't planned on removing either tank, just replace the fuel pump, and checks the gauge floats and replace those if necessary. And replace 1.5" the elbow hose if it looks cracked or deteriorated.

Not sure I follow when you say lift the fuel pump out by the 3/8" hose, you mean remove the access plate and fish around until you hook the 3/8" hose and pull the pump out that way? What keeps the hose from pulling out of the top tank also?

The access plate in the first hole with the wire is maybe the fuel sender? The far hole/plate is for the pump?

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Old 09-29-2023, 05:43 AM
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NO. When you remove the screws holding the pump bracket, the pump and hose will come up with the bracket. (Just like any other in tank pump) What I meant was that the 3/8 hose has enough length to manouver the pump out of the tank (think the depth of the tank) but it may be brittle. The one furthest to the right is the pump, the one with the red connector in the picture in Post #19.
The other end of the 3/8 hose will not disconnect from the upper tank on its own because it is held in place with a funny looking slide clip. Because that hose may be brittle, exercise caution when removing the pump.
 
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Old 09-29-2023, 07:05 AM
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Fuel tank H&E schematic.

 
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Old 09-29-2023, 07:26 AM
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Any gasket for the lower tank basically won't help, the screws are caught in the threads of the tank plate (they can't be tightened much) and go through the tank plate. I made two half-moons from aluminum for both holes, glued them from the bottom (with gasoline-resistant glue) into the hole. The thread only goes into half of the aluminum ring, so it does not go through. And I put the pump and indicator on the gasoline-resistant gasket again and properly (carefully) tightened it. No smell in the cabin since then.




 
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Old 09-29-2023, 07:28 AM
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About dials (and gears):

Disconnecting battery have no efect. The dials are only resistor, which are not connected with ECU, only with clock pointer.
Which is the coil and the deflection depends on the input resistance
Both dials are connected in series:

Interior tank
empty full
90 Ohm 0-2 Ohm

Boot tank
empty full
180 Ohm 0-2 Ohm

Input to clock
empty full
270 Ohm 0-5 Ohm

Disconnection wires do nothing, only say to clock pointer, that dial have infinity resistor, which is tank "empty".
So you can:
1. disconnect wires on both dials, clock shoukld show "EMPTY".
2. disconnect wires on both dials, connect boot dial wires together, interior dial wires together, clock should show "FULL".
If not, the error is apparently in the clock.
For next work you need variable resistence (2 pcs, range cca 0-200 Ohms) and Ohmmeter (VOM).
Disconnect interior dial, connect wires to resistor, with VOM set to 0 Ohms.
Disconnect boot dial, connect wires to resistor, with VOM set to 0 Ohms.
On the clock should be "FULL".
Now set the boot resistor to 180 Ohms, on the clock should be cca "HALF".
So you can with resistor simulate "emptying" and "filling" both tanks.
If not, clock ponter is probably bad.

Rochester dials:
Interior fuel tank, top mounting
Gear Number : N6540 59C89 4 holes
Dial : 6540 Senior TwinSite® Sender (apparently), 0 - 90 Ohm range
Hall´s effect dialing, 2 wires

Boot fuel tank, side mounting
Gear Number : N6744-8 D89 5 holes
Dial : P5ABXS0284 0-180 Ohm range
Hall´s effect dialing, 2 wires

There in Europe is not possible buy dials, but in USA You can write to (Rochester Texas) maybe they can help You.
 

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Old 09-29-2023, 07:51 AM
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@roman: great write up on the fuel gauges. I was very successful using the gasket material I mentioned in one of my posts and like you, since then I have no fuel smell inside the car.
 
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Old 10-03-2023, 05:56 PM
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Good info on the gauge operation, and the rings, Roman_MG. It wouldn't be hard to spin up a couple aluminum rings on the lathe.

Finally got chance to take the two access plates off, the tops of both the pump and gauge sender wells are sopping wet with gas.

That tells me:

the gauge is not registering properly.

The lower pump isn't working (or the pump output hose is severed) as i ran out of gas with the lower tank apparently full.

I will probably have to pump some gas out of the lower tank when i remove the gauge sender and pump, if it doesn't just come pouring out first.

This is going to be an outdoors project for right now if gas is going to be every where. The battery is already disconnected.

Doug
 
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