Recurring dream
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Thanks. Yes, it’s one of several I’ve been playing with. Some designs retain the bumper line and more of the angularity with thin bumpers. I feel like there’s a shape in there that Sayer planned that was never executed. Haven’t quite found it yet. Fabrication would be a puzzle or two but you’d wind up with room out front for intercoolers and turbos if you lay the radiator down.
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Stop trying to improve on perfection! The only non-Jaguar version of the XJS that has looked wonderful was this one:
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
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Oh dear.....
Looks like that design has been used !! "The three also gave the car a huge boot to maximise grand touring potential, but this led to a side profile remarkably reminiscent of the same generation Corvette. Though perhaps this was intentional; after all, Jaguar wanted to break into the American market, and what better way to do it?"
Looks like that design has been used !! "The three also gave the car a huge boot to maximise grand touring potential, but this led to a side profile remarkably reminiscent of the same generation Corvette. Though perhaps this was intentional; after all, Jaguar wanted to break into the American market, and what better way to do it?"
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Stop trying to improve on perfection! The only non-Jaguar version of the XJS that has looked wonderful was this one:
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https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
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https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
Pininfarina rarely makes anything that I dislike. But they do on occasion. This is one of them. It's like a tall corvette from the 80s.
Here's further doodling. Tail contracted 9 inches behind rear wheels ( no wheelbase change ), trunk extension spoiler, and restyled rear windows.
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Nice work. But nope, sorry, not doing it for me. The normal XJS design uses the headlights as a very strong lead point, with the bodywork sweeping back from there, and the grille as minimalist. The headlights, like in many classic Jags, aren't just stuck on the front (like they are on the current Tata models) but essentially ARE the front. This design retains that strong sweep back from the headlight, but adds what looks like a rather bulbous bit out to either side, going by the shadows. One reason I'm not a huge fan of the later XJSs is because of those enlarged body-coloured enlarged areas under the bumper. Perhaps if the lights were more faired in with the new nose...? Or staggered, perhaps--the inner ones brought forward and shrunk slightly.
The XJS is also a very square design--angles and planes dominate, aside from those rear buttresses (which is one of the reasons early critics called it "designed by committee"). So those very vertical lights do stand out.
Also not sure about the new C pillar. The real XJS has a rear where all lines swoop towards a possible single converging point somewhere beyond the rear of the car. Just as the buttress drop down and the rear valence panel rises, the waistline also drops a little. This convergence is emphasized by the inner line of the C pillar, though slightly ameliorated with the facelifts. The rear spoiler also looks like an American muscle car to me.
The front is a lot neater, of course. I like the design of the actual nose: I'm just not sure it's mated with the lights and the sides smoothly.
I happen to think that the original design of the XJS is absolutely stunning--it was what first attracted it to me way back when I was a kid in high school. So my comments probably seem overly negative, but that's as it's very hard to improve on near-perfection. I'm not even sure where I'd begin, if I were to give the XJS a minor facelift like that.
The XJS is also a very square design--angles and planes dominate, aside from those rear buttresses (which is one of the reasons early critics called it "designed by committee"). So those very vertical lights do stand out.
Also not sure about the new C pillar. The real XJS has a rear where all lines swoop towards a possible single converging point somewhere beyond the rear of the car. Just as the buttress drop down and the rear valence panel rises, the waistline also drops a little. This convergence is emphasized by the inner line of the C pillar, though slightly ameliorated with the facelifts. The rear spoiler also looks like an American muscle car to me.
The front is a lot neater, of course. I like the design of the actual nose: I'm just not sure it's mated with the lights and the sides smoothly.
I happen to think that the original design of the XJS is absolutely stunning--it was what first attracted it to me way back when I was a kid in high school. So my comments probably seem overly negative, but that's as it's very hard to improve on near-perfection. I'm not even sure where I'd begin, if I were to give the XJS a minor facelift like that.
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Stop trying to improve on perfection! The only non-Jaguar version of the XJS that has looked wonderful was this one:
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
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Nice work. But nope, sorry, not doing it for me. The normal XJS design uses the headlights as a very strong lead point, with the bodywork sweeping back from there, and the grille as minimalist. The headlights, like in many classic Jags, aren't just stuck on the front (like they are on the current Tata models) but essentially ARE the front. This design retains that strong sweep back from the headlight, but adds what looks like a rather bulbous bit out to either side, going by the shadows. One reason I'm not a huge fan of the later XJSs is because of those enlarged body-coloured enlarged areas under the bumper. Perhaps if the lights were more faired in with the new nose...? Or staggered, perhaps--the inner ones brought forward and shrunk slightly.
The XJS is also a very square design--angles and planes dominate, aside from those rear buttresses (which is one of the reasons early critics called it "designed by committee"). So those very vertical lights do stand out.
Also not sure about the new C pillar. The real XJS has a rear where all lines swoop towards a possible single converging point somewhere beyond the rear of the car. Just as the buttress drop down and the rear valence panel rises, the waistline also drops a little. This convergence is emphasized by the inner line of the C pillar, though slightly ameliorated with the facelifts. The rear spoiler also looks like an American muscle car to me.
The front is a lot neater, of course. I like the design of the actual nose: I'm just not sure it's mated with the lights and the sides smoothly.
I happen to think that the original design of the XJS is absolutely stunning--it was what first attracted it to me way back when I was a kid in high school. So my comments probably seem overly negative, but that's as it's very hard to improve on near-perfection. I'm not even sure where I'd begin, if I were to give the XJS a minor facelift like that.
The XJS is also a very square design--angles and planes dominate, aside from those rear buttresses (which is one of the reasons early critics called it "designed by committee"). So those very vertical lights do stand out.
Also not sure about the new C pillar. The real XJS has a rear where all lines swoop towards a possible single converging point somewhere beyond the rear of the car. Just as the buttress drop down and the rear valence panel rises, the waistline also drops a little. This convergence is emphasized by the inner line of the C pillar, though slightly ameliorated with the facelifts. The rear spoiler also looks like an American muscle car to me.
The front is a lot neater, of course. I like the design of the actual nose: I'm just not sure it's mated with the lights and the sides smoothly.
I happen to think that the original design of the XJS is absolutely stunning--it was what first attracted it to me way back when I was a kid in high school. So my comments probably seem overly negative, but that's as it's very hard to improve on near-perfection. I'm not even sure where I'd begin, if I were to give the XJS a minor facelift like that.
JigJag's idea is fine, but it alters the XJS sculpture and concept to where it is no longer an XJS, but I do like some lines of the last one, the rear window smooth C pillar swooping.
Now, if we want to enhance that great XJS front without altering its lines, this below would do that and still look absolutely "XJS" but with an exclamation point.
Cheers
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Anyone with any lingering doubt over just how awful the result of tampering with the XJS's peerless design can be, take a look at this hideous mess:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1987-JAGU...oAAOSwUl5bBG~q
It was a body conversion produced in the UK by a business called Banham. Do not try to improve on perfection!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1987-JAGU...oAAOSwUl5bBG~q
It was a body conversion produced in the UK by a business called Banham. Do not try to improve on perfection!
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Anyone with any lingering doubt over just how awful the result of tampering with the XJS's peerless design can be, take a look at this hideous mess:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1987-JAGU...oAAOSwUl5bBG~q
It was a body conversion produced in the UK by a business called Banham. Do not try to improve on perfection!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1987-JAGU...oAAOSwUl5bBG~q
It was a body conversion produced in the UK by a business called Banham. Do not try to improve on perfection!
So, let's fight a little.....
It must be admitted, however, that on its second birth alterations -i.e. the (in)famous face lift- these engineers were again blessed with sublime inspiration because, in spite of some face-lift aggressive changes, the face-lift XJS stance was miraculously kept untouched and in my personal opinion the face-lift car has a "glory" to it that I fail to discern on the "pre" cars, especially the coup pre face-lift examples. Of course, a pre face-lift owner will never agree, but again....look at this paragraph's title....LOL
Cheers,