Speedometer gauge intermittently dropping: Please help me fix my Speedo!
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orangeblossom (12-15-2014)
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Bummer. Just got my car back going and the speedo is now on the brink....again.
Currently at work for a month and not near the car but thought I'd get the ball rolling on my next repair...so.....
If you read back through this post I had a refurbished speedo with a brand new PCB retrofited inside. It was working ok but only after the first gear change. A bit of a pain but I could put up with it.
Anyway, driving along last week my speedo needle just dropped and stayed dead. I would like to think that gauge is ok but seem to recall the wiring to my speed sender was full of oil and dirt last time.
Next step when I get home is jack her up and check the wiring ...
The adventures continue...
Currently at work for a month and not near the car but thought I'd get the ball rolling on my next repair...so.....
If you read back through this post I had a refurbished speedo with a brand new PCB retrofited inside. It was working ok but only after the first gear change. A bit of a pain but I could put up with it.
Anyway, driving along last week my speedo needle just dropped and stayed dead. I would like to think that gauge is ok but seem to recall the wiring to my speed sender was full of oil and dirt last time.
Next step when I get home is jack her up and check the wiring ...
The adventures continue...
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orangeblossom (12-19-2016)
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Paul
If your car has the speedo signal generator stuck into the rear LHS of the gearbox, like mine, the symptoms you mentioned of not working in first gear, and then failing completely, sound suspiciously like either (a) the drive to the transducer in the box has failed, or for your sake I hope so (b) the actual transducer has failed.
Speedometer Transducer - Parts For XJS from (V)139052 to (V)179736 | Jaguar Classic Parts UK
The transducer just unscrews from the gearbox and is easily replaced, and new ones are not that dear. If the bit inside the box that this connects to has failed, I do not know if this is an easy fix or not. But I am sure those who know the insides of the GM400 will be able to tell us!
Greg
If your car has the speedo signal generator stuck into the rear LHS of the gearbox, like mine, the symptoms you mentioned of not working in first gear, and then failing completely, sound suspiciously like either (a) the drive to the transducer in the box has failed, or for your sake I hope so (b) the actual transducer has failed.
Speedometer Transducer - Parts For XJS from (V)139052 to (V)179736 | Jaguar Classic Parts UK
The transducer just unscrews from the gearbox and is easily replaced, and new ones are not that dear. If the bit inside the box that this connects to has failed, I do not know if this is an easy fix or not. But I am sure those who know the insides of the GM400 will be able to tell us!
Greg
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Cheers Greg. Yes after about 1 year of use this speedo started giving me drama. Previously I had noticed it would also fail on the return trip of a long journey...like it was heat related...I dunno... I would like to nail it. I have a feeling it will be on the transducer end....I had the dash out previously and checked all connections etc...as well as that new gauge. Nothing though has been done on the transducer end.
Just looking back in this thread, swapping out the transducer doesn't open up to baptize you with trans fluid correct? Or do I need to cap it up straight away with the new sensor before fluid goes everywhere?
Only 27 more days until I get back to my car......
Just looking back in this thread, swapping out the transducer doesn't open up to baptize you with trans fluid correct? Or do I need to cap it up straight away with the new sensor before fluid goes everywhere?
Only 27 more days until I get back to my car......
Last edited by paulyling; 12-19-2016 at 03:28 PM.
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orangeblossom (12-19-2016)
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Paul,
You will not get baptized.
The adaptor that the electrical transducer screws onto can weep some fluid when removed. There will be no oil flow when the transducer is unscrewed.
That adaptor has a Nylon gear on the end that meshes with the drive spiral on the output shaft. That Nylon gear can fail, not common. More common is the transducer itself.
You will not get baptized.
The adaptor that the electrical transducer screws onto can weep some fluid when removed. There will be no oil flow when the transducer is unscrewed.
That adaptor has a Nylon gear on the end that meshes with the drive spiral on the output shaft. That Nylon gear can fail, not common. More common is the transducer itself.
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Thanks guys. Now that I have the info I can make preparations for when I am home next month.
And as disccused in one of my other threads, whats the best way to work or get access to this section? Jack up front only and jack stands on both sides of front crossmember with rear wheels chocked? Its kinda in the middle right so I suppose either end yeah?
To be continued....
And as disccused in one of my other threads, whats the best way to work or get access to this section? Jack up front only and jack stands on both sides of front crossmember with rear wheels chocked? Its kinda in the middle right so I suppose either end yeah?
To be continued....
Last edited by paulyling; 12-20-2016 at 03:37 PM.
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orangeblossom (12-20-2016)
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orangeblossom (12-21-2016)
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WDK13HLQ
About 70cm lift is what is needed, 50com is not enough, IMO. Do not worry about the height when lowered, as you just drive the car up on a couple of low blocks first.
I do NOT recommend putting the car on four jackstands. Warren's system is great because the car is on all four wheels, two on a jackstand and two wheels on the ground is fine too. But with all four corners on a jackstand it is frighteningly easy to rock the car off them. Even great big lorry jackstands!
Greg
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Hi Greg
Great idea about the 5 Watt bulb swap as the instrument lighting seems to leave a lot to be desired.
I know that this might cause you to bang your head on the Table! in an Oh No! sort of way but what are your thoughts on swapping those bulbs for 'Blue Led's ?'
Great idea about the 5 Watt bulb swap as the instrument lighting seems to leave a lot to be desired.
I know that this might cause you to bang your head on the Table! in an Oh No! sort of way but what are your thoughts on swapping those bulbs for 'Blue Led's ?'
Greg
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Paul
If your car has the speedo signal generator stuck into the rear LHS of the gearbox, like mine, the symptoms you mentioned of not working in first gear, and then failing completely, sound suspiciously like either (a) the drive to the transducer in the box has failed, or for your sake I hope so (b) the actual transducer has failed.
Speedometer Transducer - Parts For XJS from (V)139052 to (V)179736 | Jaguar Classic Parts UK
The transducer just unscrews from the gearbox and is easily replaced, and new ones are not that dear. If the bit inside the box that this connects to has failed, I do not know if this is an easy fix or not. But I am sure those who know the insides of the GM400 will be able to tell us!
Greg
If your car has the speedo signal generator stuck into the rear LHS of the gearbox, like mine, the symptoms you mentioned of not working in first gear, and then failing completely, sound suspiciously like either (a) the drive to the transducer in the box has failed, or for your sake I hope so (b) the actual transducer has failed.
Speedometer Transducer - Parts For XJS from (V)139052 to (V)179736 | Jaguar Classic Parts UK
The transducer just unscrews from the gearbox and is easily replaced, and new ones are not that dear. If the bit inside the box that this connects to has failed, I do not know if this is an easy fix or not. But I am sure those who know the insides of the GM400 will be able to tell us!
Greg
So...I am getting parts ready for when I am home. I was going to ring Jag Daim on the Speedo Transducer. Greg, I clicked on the link you gave me and have a question. Is the DAC4569 the part number for the speedo or is it in fact the ECU it works with?
That part number looks like the same numbering system as the ECU so I just wanted to make sure I am quoting the correct part number over the phone.
Cheers for your help.
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orangeblossom (01-08-2017)
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This is the right part paul.
http://www.jaguarclaPsicparts.com/uk/part/DAC4569
The ECU is nothing at all to do with the speedo on our models.
Greg
http://www.jaguarclaPsicparts.com/uk/part/DAC4569
The ECU is nothing at all to do with the speedo on our models.
Greg
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orangeblossom (01-10-2017)
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Crikey! On the Australian version of the Jaguar Website the part is $232.58
Part no. DAC4569 | Speedometer transducer parts from Jaguar Classic Parts AU
I think I might check Jag Daim and see the price difference.
If it is that much I might double check the cabling and rule out all other possiblities before I make the purchase.
Part no. DAC4569 | Speedometer transducer parts from Jaguar Classic Parts AU
I think I might check Jag Daim and see the price difference.
If it is that much I might double check the cabling and rule out all other possiblities before I make the purchase.
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orangeblossom (01-10-2017)
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I am pretty sure that JD have them at about 50 quid UK, as they advertise on UK ebay. If not, check UK or USA ebay. That price looks more than double the UK exchange rate adjusted price. Still better than Doug's Ferrari 2500 USD for a set of HT leads though!
Here is a pretty good guy who will post things anywhere:
JAGUAR DAIMLER GM400 SPEEDO SPEEDOMETER TRANSDUCER FITS XJ12 XJS DS420 DAC4569 | eBay
Greg
Here is a pretty good guy who will post things anywhere:
JAGUAR DAIMLER GM400 SPEEDO SPEEDOMETER TRANSDUCER FITS XJ12 XJS DS420 DAC4569 | eBay
Greg
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orangeblossom (01-10-2017)
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So the Jaguar Speedo Transducer is nothing unique?
I first have to get myself under there (with jack stands) to double check that it isn't just the wiring. I remember I looked at it a few years ago and had to clean it up a fair bit.
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