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Why the early distributor? Look at the advance curve it has compared to the advance curve of the HE
I have a distributor machine and am well used to modifying the advance curve but there is only so much you can do. I grind weights, change springs, silver solder added weights etc.
I can never replicate the same advance curve unless I use all the early distributor internals. At that point why not start with that?
Use the early distributor. 1980 or newer.
Why do you like the early distributor? I thought the pre HE and HE distributors were about the same except for the pick up coil. On my pre HE, the plastic pickup mounting was deteriorated with age. No such problem on my 83 HE. Is the advance different?
Why do you like the early distributor? I thought the pre HE and HE distributors were about the same except for the pick up coil. On my pre HE, the plastic pickup mounting was deteriorated with age. No such problem on my 83 HE. Is the advance different?
I have a distributor machine and am well used to modifying the advance curve but there is only so much you can do. I grind weights, change springs, silver solder added weights etc.
I can never replicate the same advance curve unless I use all the early distributor internals. At that point why not start with that?
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This is the jag in question She needs full restoration but the underside is solid! Hence the perfect excuse to remove the engine and get to work on it. Ive read that the v12 liners can be removed and bored to 96mm, are there any chevy/ford pistons that could be used? If that takes me upto 5.8 litres. I should add that the machining wont cost me anything. What power should i expect to make with the addition of cams and pre he heads, that is in addition to the modifications detailed by Mguar?
I have a computer program ( Performance Trends) that tells me what individual changes yield in additional power. Through careful adjustments over the last 40 years I’ve been within 2% of actual output. Before the program I’d buy parts put them in the engine, put the engine on a dyno and see if it was better.
With the program I can compare cost vs power gained. A bigger bore does make more power but the cost ( starts at $1500-2000 and goes up) is very high compared to the power gained. But by itself only has modest gains.
A longer stroke gains more power but that means machine work ( not everybody who grinds cranks can successfully grind a hardened Jaguar Crankshaft and then reharden it ) replacement rods ( and pistons) so again the cost is high compared to power gained Add approximately $1000.
Realize these may be old numbers and do not reflect minor costs such as bearings, rings, gaskets etc or any labor.
Head work such as porting Is extremely labor intensive. It’s not something that unskilled guy should attempt. It’s easy to lose power. It’s not just making the ports bigger it needs be even flowing and the right size. Plus most important, the flow between cylinders must be equal.
It could be easily 200 hours of a skilled technician with flow bench equipment. Plus the power comes not where it’s useful on the street, but the race track.
Same with regard camshafts. Jaguar engineers knew what they were doing. More lift, more duration gives more power but at high RPM. Not at the engine speed most often used on the street.
The formula changes when you are racing. Instead of I can afford this and afford that on the street, when racing its’s, I have to Do all that to be competitive.
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YES Van , like a chevy you can rotate the distributor to adv. or retard, but you still will have the timing curve thats built in, of course you can always change curve , summit has some nice parts for custom curves!
a DYNO would be awesome for that, but not absoluty nesessary!
ron
a DYNO would be awesome for that, but not absoluty nesessary!
ron
A distributor machine is absolutely required to maximize any changes made. With regard the Lucas distributor it’s not unusual to have to pull the distributor and advance a tooth or even 2 in order to get full power.
Performance Trends is the Computer program I use to evaluate Changes. It’s wonderful to be able to do a cost/ power benefit analysis before spending money.
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Stock seats may only weigh 7 kg ( I don’t know, seemed heavier when I tore out my old interior. Does that include the power seat adjusters weight? )
But how much do you think a racing seat weighs? 10 pounds, or 2&1/2 kg
The point is there are a lot of nice things to have but they all add weight.
To go faster reduce weight first, ( that costs next to nothing) then add power.
Last edited by Mguar; 06-20-2020 at 06:46 PM.
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Stock seats may only weigh 7 kg ( I don’t know, seemed heavier when I tore out my old interior. Does that include the power seat adjusters weight? )
But how much do you think a racing seat weighs? 10 pounds, or 2&1/2 kg
The point is there are a lot of nice things to have but they all add weight.
To go faster reduce weight first, ( that costs next to nothing) then add power.
But how much do you think a racing seat weighs? 10 pounds, or 2&1/2 kg
The point is there are a lot of nice things to have but they all add weight.
To go faster reduce weight first, ( that costs next to nothing) then add power.
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The doors by themselves are very heavy. Door skins are much lighter. About 1/2 the weight of Steel skins is fiberglass and 1/2 the weight of fiberglass is Carbon fiber. Replacing a pair of doors can take more than 200 pounds of your car. Trunk nearly 70 and hood( bonnet to the British ) more than 100.
that’s for American cars. Since the British don’t use side door guard beams maybe not as much.
My point is we try to get down to 2700 pounds in race weight which is 1900 pounds less than stock. So the weight is there to remove. You just need to want to go fast more than you want the quiet elegance Jaguar’s offer.
that’s for American cars. Since the British don’t use side door guard beams maybe not as much.
My point is we try to get down to 2700 pounds in race weight which is 1900 pounds less than stock. So the weight is there to remove. You just need to want to go fast more than you want the quiet elegance Jaguar’s offer.
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