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She started up fine, then the engine just died after about 20 seconds. And it would simply not start again. The engine cranked, and there was spark, but no fuel was getting delivered. Called the JAF (AA in Japan) and with the help of the Jaguar Engineer Factory guy, a faulty fuel pump was diagnosed, so she was trailered to Watanabe Motors, a Jaguar dealer in Nagoya. Glad this didn't happen in some remote rural area.
But I'm very annoyed that after having spend the equivalent of about US$5,000 on making sure she was in tip-top condition, I can't even drive her home without her breaking down. Do fuel pumps just fail like that, without any warning?
Oh... That's so sad trouble.
In my case, I got a same trouble last year. And my fuel pomp also suddenly stopped on the road. Some said fuel pomp produce noise before it broken, but I couldn't hear that noise before stopped. But the pomp had not changed all the way from the line off of my car, for 27 years.
I changed fuel pomp and fuel-filter in same time. Because old gasoline was become viscosity and fuel-filter was blocked by this. Probably blocked fuel-filter lead high load of fuel pomp, and stopped fuel pomp finally. After that, I supply the chemical additive(WAKOS Fuel One) for dissolve the viscosity old gasoline annually.
Last edited by XJ-S Lemans; 01-18-2018 at 02:11 AM.
She started up fine, then the engine just died after about 20 seconds. And it would simply not start again. The engine cranked, and there was spark, but no fuel was getting delivered. Called the JAF (AA in Japan) and with the help of the Jaguar Engineer Factory guy, a faulty fuel pump was diagnosed, so she was trailered to Watanabe Motors, a Jaguar dealer in Nagoya. Glad this didn't happen in some remote rural area.
But I'm very annoyed that after having spend the equivalent of about US$5,000 on making sure she was in tip-top condition, I can't even drive her home without her breaking down. Do fuel pumps just fail like that, without any warning?
Normally? Yes. They CAN squeal first but if the pump is somewhere quiet, you won't hear it. The X308 XJ8 suffer from this commonly. You can park the car as if everything was fine. The next start it won't run because the pump died over night. I'm expecting mine to happen any time soon. Normally around 125k miles/200k km. Pumps are cheap though and readily available for the XJ-S. Something like €20 will get you a good one. A standard 3.5 Bar one is enough. The pressure is reduced by the FPR on the return side anyway... Changeing the pump on an HE is a 5 min job.
In my case, with the early facelift (as an aside, pretty much nobody can open the doors first time without being told to squeeze up, not pull out), the pump's on top of the tank, like OB's. I was told that the tank would have to come out to access it. This of course will take time=money.
Nice to know that they can just go, and that I didn't pay thousands for a specialist to overlook something obvious and major. Or I assume I didn't.... (She does ride a bit better with all new bushes, and my wife thinks she's definitely quieter, at least.) But she's only done 59,000 km and change - well shy of 200,000.
It's Part No. 2 on this diagram, and prices for part number EBC8597 start at about US$550. Not sure where Daim gets his for 20 euros, but it might be useful to know.... (2) Fuel pump module
If that $550 includes fitting then considering what a big job it is to replace an 'in-tank' Pump, that is the kind of money that a Garage might be expected to charge
As most of that would be labour but having said that there is 'no way' (Make that 'NO WAY') that one of those 'in-tank' Pumps should cost $550
You could get one on ebay for $50-$100 max
Part number 19 is also a one to watch out for, as that little Hose is a 'Nightmare' to get off the Tank and if they have to cut it through
Then a new one could cost $100 or more!
If you had a Pre-Facelift then Changing that Pump is a breeze and would only cost you $30 with another $10 for the Filter
And something you could easily do yourself
The reason that the Fuel Pumps for the Pre-Facelifts are so 'Cheap' is that they are 'Generic' and fitted to loads of different Cars and not just Jags
Considering the amount of money you have already paid out, together with your instructions to go right through 'Lady Mary'
So She would be reliable then I think that I would be extremely unhappy and insisting that whatever it costs, should be reimbursed to you
Last edited by orangeblossom; 01-18-2018 at 04:17 AM.
I checked the fuel pump fitting on the Jaguar Classic Parts.
Your car's VIN is in range (V)179737 to (V)185892 ?
As orangeblossom said, fuel pump is not expensive in case of CBC5657 / EBC11365 / EBC11368.
But EBC8597 is very expensive exceptionally...
Pre-Facelift
(V)139052 to (V)179736 = CBC5657
Facelift 5.3
(V)179737 to (V)185892 = EBC8597
(V)185893 to (V)188104 = EBC11365
Thanks for the details, Lemans. My VIN is 182XXX (I forget the rest). So definitely under 185,000. Just my luck to have the most expensive pump of them all, I guess....
I told with my friend about the fuel pump trouble. He has 1992 XJS. He said there is possibility the problem of fuel pump relay. In my friend case, his XJS suddenly stopped because of fuel pump stopped. He changed fuel pump but the XJS not recovered. and then He make sure the electric line to the fuel pump and he found the problem at the fuel pump relay.
Fuel pump relay is only $10 or $20 parts. so he said he should check the fuel pump relay at first.
I recommend you to check the fuel pump relay at first, and then order the fuel pump if the relay has no problem.
Last edited by XJ-S Lemans; 01-18-2018 at 07:07 AM.
I told with my friend about the fuel pump trouble. He has 1992 XJS. He said there is possibility the problem of fuel pump relay. In my friend case, his XJS suddenly stopped because of fuel pump stopped. He changed fuel pump but the XJS not recovered. and then He make sure the electric line to the fuel pump and he found the problem at the fuel pump relay.
Fuel pump relay is only $10 or $20 parts. so he said he should check the fuel pump relay at first.
I recommend you to check the fuel pump relay at first, and then order the fuel pump if the relay has no problem.
EXCELLENT point. Worth changing he relay in any event, they can go flaky and still test OK, then flake out again. This happened to me in exactly that way on the aux cooling fan relay.
Thanks Lemans. As I had to leave the car back in Nagoya, I can't check directly, but will pass your suggestion on.
Actually, I think when the JAF were checking the issue, with guidance from Jaguar Engineer Factory, the JAF man pulled the relay (small square thing with four prongs located in the CPU area at the right rear of the trunk, right? Yes, I think that's right) and connected it up directly or something, using a spare fuse, to make sure it wasn't the issue. Which it didn't seem to be, as the next step involved banging on the fuel tank (carefully) to try and jolt the pump in case it was just a bit stuck.
I should probably start a separate thread for this--I hadn't expected my picture to start a (very informative and helpful) digression and don't want to usurp the main goal of this Post a Pic thread....
In my case, with the early facelift (as an aside, pretty much nobody can open the doors first time without being told to squeeze up, not pull out), the pump's on top of the tank, like OB's. I was told that the tank would have to come out to access it. This of course will take time=money.
Nice to know that they can just go, and that I didn't pay thousands for a specialist to overlook something obvious and major. Or I assume I didn't.... (She does ride a bit better with all new bushes, and my wife thinks she's definitely quieter, at least.) But she's only done 59,000 km and change - well shy of 200,000.
It's Part No. 2 on this diagram, and prices for part number EBC8597 start at about US$550. Not sure where Daim gets his for 20 euros, but it might be useful to know.... (2) Fuel pump module
€20 pump was refering to an HE model with it fitted outside of the tank... In my opinion the best place but modern unit are just overcomplicated.
€20 pump was refering to an HE model with it fitted outside of the tank... In my opinion the best place but modern unit are just overcomplicated.
The manufacturers put the pumps in-tank only so they can save the expense and complication of the sump tank. Obviously not nearly as good for the owner as the car gets older, as in over 5 years or so!.
I have an idea some people have cut a hatch in the rear parcel shelf to allow access directly to the pump, so allowing it to be change without removing the tank.
01-17-2018, 09:23 PM
