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Yes, but the 560SL was not part of the SL price comparisons, so that old engine, which saw its beginnings with my -then- beloved 280SE 4.5, was not part of it. The Mercedes in the 90-91-92 comparison group were the SL500 and the SL300, both with newly developed engines against the ancient V12 Jag of the same three years. Jaguar was still four years from having their own V8 in their line up, but by then, the glorious XJS was gone and the "new and improved" 6.0L V12 was gone, too, for the XJS last production MY. Now, why was that? Wasn't there such a thing as a 1996 XJ12?
Cheers,
I'm not sure what you mean. Jaguar XJS ran from 1975-1996 so it competed directly against the R107 SL for 19 of its 25 year production run (per just about every motoring review of the period).
As far as refinement goes, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jaguar V12 that left it lacking compared to the competition. The TH-400 however was already pretty long in the tooth in 1978 when Jaguar first started using it.
As far as the British not knowing how to build cars. They only competition to the British were the Germans, the Italians and French built some sophisticated cars but were very fragile and the Americans has durable cars because they were low tech.
Where the British lost to the Americans was in quality control and forward planning. That's what killed the industry.
They managed to design cars that that were equal in many ways and better in others with a 10th of the budget.
Indeed, you will find Brits at or near the top of the auto industry in different countries all over the world.
Our problem is that as a group, the Brits are not very interested in developing and improving. We are interested in inventing and doing the first one; but not what is needed to keep it going. That is the reason nearly all the racing teams are in the UK, or use UK bits, or UK people run them. Racing provides a non-stop set of interesting problems to solve!
Greg
Last edited by Greg in France; 01-12-2016 at 10:00 AM.
I'm not sure what you mean. Jaguar XJS ran from 1975-1996 so it competed directly against the SL for 19 of its 25 year production run (per just about every motoring review of the period).
As far as refinement goes, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jaguar V12 that left it lacking compared to the competition. The TH-400 however was already pretty long in the tooth in 1978 when Jaguar first started using it.
As far as the British not knowing how to build cars. They only competition to the British were the Germans, the Italians and French built some sophisticated cars but were very fragile and the Americans has durable cars because they were low tech.
Where the British lost to the Americans was in quality control and forward planning. That's what killed the industry.
They managed to design cars that that were equal in many ways and better in others with a 10th of the budget.
I'm sorry but we're not in the same frequency here. Please go back and read what "group" is that I've been discussing here all along. Right now we're at apples and oranges. Sorry.
It could be worse, Alfa Romeo and Nissan collaborated in the 80's and somehow came to the conclusion of building a car that styled by the Japanese and with Italian mechanicals was good idea.
Here's a press ad with the car broken down on the side of the road with the driver reading a newspaper while waiting for the breakdown truck.
Yes, but the 560SL was not part of the SL price comparisons, so that old engine, which saw its beginnings with my -then- beloved 280SE 4.5, was not part of it. The Mercedes in the 90-91-92 comparison group were the SL500 and the SL300, both with newly developed engines against the ancient V12 Jag of the same three years. Jaguar was still four years from having their own V8 in their line up, but by then, the glorious XJS was gone and the "new and improved" 6.0L V12 was gone, too, for the XJS last production MY. Now, why was that? Wasn't there such a thing as a 1996 XJ12?
Cheers,
the Ford V8s and the Jag V8s are pretty much the same basic engines!
Ford came with there v8 around 1992 (4.6L) then a 5.4L, and then moved into the supercharged V8s, Jag followed along with the already available production lines.
I'm sorry but we're not in the same frequency here. Please go back and read what "group" is that I've been discussing here all along. Right now we're at apples and oranges. Sorry.
Cheers,
Opps, I thought we were talking about XJS market value and how it compares to its peers.
You know, I thought the values were going up, but then I looked at eBay's completed listing. Many of these cherry XJS coupes are going for ~$5000! I would be stoked if I could find one in that sort of condition for $5000!
It could be worse, Alfa Romeo and Nissan collaborated in the 80's and somehow came to the conclusion of building a car that styled by the Japanese and with Italian mechanicals was good idea.
Nive one. Actually got me laughhing out loud with that, Alabbasi
You know, I thought the values were going up, but then I looked at eBay's completed listing. Many of these cherry XJS coupes are going for ~$5000! I would be stoked if I could find one in that sort of condition for $5000! jaguar xjs in Cars & Trucks | eBay
I'm not sure what you mean. Jaguar XJS ran from 1975-1996 so it competed directly against the R107 SL for 19 of its 25 year production run (per just about every motoring review of the period).
As far as refinement goes, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jaguar V12 that left it lacking compared to the competition. The TH-400 however was already pretty long in the tooth in 1978 when Jaguar first started using it.
As far as the British not knowing how to build cars. They only competition to the British were the Germans, the Italians and French built some sophisticated cars but were very fragile and the Americans has durable cars because they were low tech.
Where the British lost to the Americans was in quality control and forward planning. That's what killed the industry.
They managed to design cars that that were equal in many ways and better in others with a 10th of the budget.
0ne 10th the budget!!
if you cant swim the tide, dont jump in the river!
if you cant swim the tide, dont jump in the river!
I don't know about that, GM and Ford probably have 10 times the money as anyone else and only up until recently, they've built some pretty horrible cars with the money.
You know, I thought the values were going up, but then I looked at eBay's completed listing. Many of these cherry XJS coupes are going for ~$5000! I would be stoked if I could find one in that sort of condition for $5000!
Agreed, it does get disappointing when you select the "completed" transactions, including the "accepted offer" option, although the latter won't reveal the accepted offer $$. The completed transactions is, however, the best indicator of what your XJS would sell for at any given time. I often see "accepted lower offer" on really nice and low miles examples, which tells me that, often these top-of-the-line XJS' do not sell for what their owners believe them to be worth. But, the bottom line is the fact that the XJS belongs in a very narrow and specific market segment and only people within this market segment (such as "us" forum buddies/members) are typically interested, especially if there are specific features that narrow it down further, so target qualifying is paramount to sell an XJS and so is patience because it takes time to get to all of those who need to be reached. Not doing this will result in an even more disappointing sale result.
My budget for an XJS is probably around $5000-6000. I hope I can get a nice one for that price, because I want to convert it to a manual once I get everything sorted!
My budget for an XJS is probably around $5000-6000. I hope I can get a nice one for that price, because I want to convert it to a manual once I get everything sorted!
That should be enough to get a nice coupe, yes. Might be a bit low for a 90s convertible.
I'm watching a lot of coupes on eBay. Many of the pretty clean ones are stalling out at 3000 USD. And the very clean/low mileage ones are struggling to pass 5000 USD. None of these cars are selling because the reserve prices are so high. Why are these sellers being so unreasonable!?
Last edited by amcdonal86; 01-18-2016 at 07:48 AM.
Because everyone thinks they're sittin' on a pot of gold
Or trying to recoup some of the money they've spent.
And, with cars like these, sometimes having 'the right people' looking for a particular car at the moment makes all the difference....and that's just a matter of luck
Bid what you'd like to pay....and wait for the seller to contact you after the auction closes.
Because everyone thinks they're sittin' on a pot of gold
..and, with cars like these, sometimes having 'the right people' looking for a particular car at the moment makes all the difference....and that's just a matter of luck
DD
This ^^^^^, but with luck and perseverance. Plus, people that are familiar with the typical quality of an available XJS' behind the shiny picture, are very reluctant to let a good one go at an average price.
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