The XJS market value
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Yes, but the 560SL was not part of the SL price comparisons, so that old engine, which saw its beginnings with my -then- beloved 280SE 4.5, was not part of it. The Mercedes in the 90-91-92 comparison group were the SL500 and the SL300, both with newly developed engines against the ancient V12 Jag of the same three years. Jaguar was still four years from having their own V8 in their line up, but by then, the glorious XJS was gone and the "new and improved" 6.0L V12 was gone, too, for the XJS last production MY. Now, why was that? Wasn't there such a thing as a 1996 XJ12?
Cheers,
Cheers,
As far as refinement goes, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jaguar V12 that left it lacking compared to the competition. The TH-400 however was already pretty long in the tooth in 1978 when Jaguar first started using it.
As far as the British not knowing how to build cars. They only competition to the British were the Germans, the Italians and French built some sophisticated cars but were very fragile and the Americans has durable cars because they were low tech.
Where the British lost to the Americans was in quality control and forward planning. That's what killed the industry.
They managed to design cars that that were equal in many ways and better in others with a 10th of the budget.
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I'm not sure what you mean. Jaguar XJS ran from 1975-1996 so it competed directly against the SL for 19 of its 25 year production run (per just about every motoring review of the period).
As far as refinement goes, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jaguar V12 that left it lacking compared to the competition. The TH-400 however was already pretty long in the tooth in 1978 when Jaguar first started using it.
As far as the British not knowing how to build cars. They only competition to the British were the Germans, the Italians and French built some sophisticated cars but were very fragile and the Americans has durable cars because they were low tech.
Where the British lost to the Americans was in quality control and forward planning. That's what killed the industry.
They managed to design cars that that were equal in many ways and better in others with a 10th of the budget.
As far as refinement goes, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jaguar V12 that left it lacking compared to the competition. The TH-400 however was already pretty long in the tooth in 1978 when Jaguar first started using it.
As far as the British not knowing how to build cars. They only competition to the British were the Germans, the Italians and French built some sophisticated cars but were very fragile and the Americans has durable cars because they were low tech.
Where the British lost to the Americans was in quality control and forward planning. That's what killed the industry.
They managed to design cars that that were equal in many ways and better in others with a 10th of the budget.
Cheers,
#65
It could be worse, Alfa Romeo and Nissan collaborated in the 80's and somehow came to the conclusion of building a car that styled by the Japanese and with Italian mechanicals was good idea.
Here's a press ad with the car broken down on the side of the road with the driver reading a newspaper while waiting for the breakdown truck.
Here's a press ad with the car broken down on the side of the road with the driver reading a newspaper while waiting for the breakdown truck.
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Yes, but the 560SL was not part of the SL price comparisons, so that old engine, which saw its beginnings with my -then- beloved 280SE 4.5, was not part of it. The Mercedes in the 90-91-92 comparison group were the SL500 and the SL300, both with newly developed engines against the ancient V12 Jag of the same three years. Jaguar was still four years from having their own V8 in their line up, but by then, the glorious XJS was gone and the "new and improved" 6.0L V12 was gone, too, for the XJS last production MY. Now, why was that? Wasn't there such a thing as a 1996 XJ12?
Cheers,
Cheers,
Ford came with there v8 around 1992 (4.6L) then a 5.4L, and then moved into the supercharged V8s, Jag followed along with the already available production lines.
yes we know there are slight differences.
#68
You know, I thought the values were going up, but then I looked at eBay's completed listing. Many of these cherry XJS coupes are going for ~$5000! I would be stoked if I could find one in that sort of condition for $5000!
jaguar xjs in Cars & Trucks | eBay
jaguar xjs in Cars & Trucks | eBay
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You know, I thought the values were going up, but then I looked at eBay's completed listing. Many of these cherry XJS coupes are going for ~$5000! I would be stoked if I could find one in that sort of condition for $5000! jaguar xjs in Cars & Trucks | eBay
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I'm not sure what you mean. Jaguar XJS ran from 1975-1996 so it competed directly against the R107 SL for 19 of its 25 year production run (per just about every motoring review of the period).
As far as refinement goes, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jaguar V12 that left it lacking compared to the competition. The TH-400 however was already pretty long in the tooth in 1978 when Jaguar first started using it.
As far as the British not knowing how to build cars. They only competition to the British were the Germans, the Italians and French built some sophisticated cars but were very fragile and the Americans has durable cars because they were low tech.
Where the British lost to the Americans was in quality control and forward planning. That's what killed the industry.
They managed to design cars that that were equal in many ways and better in others with a 10th of the budget.
As far as refinement goes, I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jaguar V12 that left it lacking compared to the competition. The TH-400 however was already pretty long in the tooth in 1978 when Jaguar first started using it.
As far as the British not knowing how to build cars. They only competition to the British were the Germans, the Italians and French built some sophisticated cars but were very fragile and the Americans has durable cars because they were low tech.
Where the British lost to the Americans was in quality control and forward planning. That's what killed the industry.
They managed to design cars that that were equal in many ways and better in others with a 10th of the budget.
if you cant swim the tide, dont jump in the river!
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#73
You know, I thought the values were going up, but then I looked at eBay's completed listing. Many of these cherry XJS coupes are going for ~$5000! I would be stoked if I could find one in that sort of condition for $5000!
jaguar xjs in Cars & Trucks | eBay
jaguar xjs in Cars & Trucks | eBay
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#76
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Alfasud
This model was about a decade later.
Greg
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That should be enough to get a nice coupe, yes. Might be a bit low for a 90s convertible.
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DD
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I'm watching a lot of coupes on eBay. Many of the pretty clean ones are stalling out at 3000 USD. And the very clean/low mileage ones are struggling to pass 5000 USD. None of these cars are selling because the reserve prices are so high. Why are these sellers being so unreasonable!?
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Because everyone thinks they're sittin' on a pot of gold
Or trying to recoup some of the money they've spent.
And, with cars like these, sometimes having 'the right people' looking for a particular car at the moment makes all the difference....and that's just a matter of luck
Bid what you'd like to pay....and wait for the seller to contact you after the auction closes.
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This ^^^^^, but with luck and perseverance. Plus, people that are familiar with the typical quality of an available XJS' behind the shiny picture, are very reluctant to let a good one go at an average price.