The front plate debate.
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This topic has been discussed in many of the model tech forums applying in a few States in the USA where members have chosen either not to display a front plate, use temporary / retracting fixings or reduce the size. I haven't previously read of any Canadian members getting creative with front plates.
As Ozmag has posted, you wouldn't get away with it in Australia and you also wouldn't get away with it in Europe.
As far as I understand the situation from US members, there is no 'debate'. It is an infringement which may or may not attract police attention. Is this not the same in Canada?
Graham
As Ozmag has posted, you wouldn't get away with it in Australia and you also wouldn't get away with it in Europe.
As far as I understand the situation from US members, there is no 'debate'. It is an infringement which may or may not attract police attention. Is this not the same in Canada?
Graham
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I live in MA and requires a front plate. I have not used a front plate since 2003 and the only two tickets were when the car was parked at a meter in front of Watertown Town Hall while at my dentist. Need to remember to park somewhere else...
I have been pulled over I assume about 10 times in the last decade and law enforcement never said anything about a lack of front plate. As long as a citation for lack of front plate does not increase my insurance, I will take my lumps as they come.
I have been pulled over I assume about 10 times in the last decade and law enforcement never said anything about a lack of front plate. As long as a citation for lack of front plate does not increase my insurance, I will take my lumps as they come.
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What's really interesting is the correlation between states requiring front license plates and their inmate population. The blue states on the map have way more motor vehicles (and inmates) - California, NY, NJ, TX, just to name a few. The more inmates, the more license plates. Must keep them working to stay out of trouble!
The job is easier for some inmates than others. It was simple for Martha Stewart to go from dinner plates to license plates!
Too bad they don't make 'em like they used to.
Sure would like to see Made in Guantanamo Bay!
Stuart
The job is easier for some inmates than others. It was simple for Martha Stewart to go from dinner plates to license plates!
Too bad they don't make 'em like they used to.
Sure would like to see Made in Guantanamo Bay!
Stuart
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richzak (11-11-2015)
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Just as a sidebar here the next person who gets my car can go with or without a front plate with no visible mounting holes. I used the OEM plastic plate mount and turned it upside down. I mounted a piece of aluminum angle under the center nose section. Screwed the plate holder to the aluminum and also used double sided foam tape on the back of the plate mount. It now has 6000 miles of usage and no issues with the mount. If you don't need a front plate you just take the holder and angle off and there are no visible holes for the next owner.
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Here in lovely S. Cal I was driving right at 65 in the slow lane had a CHP bolt from off freeway speed up behind me, pull me over, solely for not having a front plate, wrote me up as most CHP do. It was a "fix-it" ticket only cost me $25. To resolve it I bent the plate to conform to the bumper the use double sided tape in their parking lot then had them come out to see that I had a front plate got it signed off. Total bullshit.
If states were "smarter" they would get rid of the front plate and increase plate cost to more than what it is now for two plates.
bwahaha "If states were smarter" is hilarious sadly. The sensible way to do all this crap would be for states, or the fed gubmint, to mandate that when you register your car you pay a yearly registration/insurance fee all at once there by negating the fact that rates are so high mostly due to those driving without insurance. Each year change the color of the plates so our wonderful LEO's can immediately tell who has paid and who should be impounded... but that would make sense so toss that concept out. Remember what they do is NOT ever for the greater good, solely for the purpose of revenue generation
If states were "smarter" they would get rid of the front plate and increase plate cost to more than what it is now for two plates.
bwahaha "If states were smarter" is hilarious sadly. The sensible way to do all this crap would be for states, or the fed gubmint, to mandate that when you register your car you pay a yearly registration/insurance fee all at once there by negating the fact that rates are so high mostly due to those driving without insurance. Each year change the color of the plates so our wonderful LEO's can immediately tell who has paid and who should be impounded... but that would make sense so toss that concept out. Remember what they do is NOT ever for the greater good, solely for the purpose of revenue generation
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If states were "smarter" they would get rid of the front plate and increase plate cost to more than what it is now for two plates.
It will never happen as it is now going to be not only a revenue generator for not having one, but a law enforcement tool to use against those who do. They have now installed (at least in WI.) camera's that look forward and back and they scan license plates for history. If computer kicks you out as not paying tickets, no license, warrants etc... they pull you over. Now all they have to do is drive around and wait for a hit. So they are now Johnny on you if no front plate.
It will never happen as it is now going to be not only a revenue generator for not having one, but a law enforcement tool to use against those who do. They have now installed (at least in WI.) camera's that look forward and back and they scan license plates for history. If computer kicks you out as not paying tickets, no license, warrants etc... they pull you over. Now all they have to do is drive around and wait for a hit. So they are now Johnny on you if no front plate.
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I run without front plates on all 3 Jags in IL and so far have yet to be ticketed for it. According to a friend at the DMV, it might have something to do with the fact I have the special-design "Route 66" commemorative plates on 2 of them, and Expanded Use Antique plates on the XJS.
The Route 66 plates are a completely different color scheme than the standard IL plates and are not very common, so my friend said most cops who drive by might not even recognize them as being IL plates, assuming they notice at all that I don't have a front plate. So they won't bother.
I was also told many police in IL assume cars running antique or expanded use antique don't require front plates. Not in fact the case, but that might also stop them from investigating further.
All I know is that I've been lucky so far! I do run a front plate on my LR3 daily driver.. it doesn't look bad, and since I drive it the most, no point in risking it with that car.
The Route 66 plates are a completely different color scheme than the standard IL plates and are not very common, so my friend said most cops who drive by might not even recognize them as being IL plates, assuming they notice at all that I don't have a front plate. So they won't bother.
I was also told many police in IL assume cars running antique or expanded use antique don't require front plates. Not in fact the case, but that might also stop them from investigating further.
All I know is that I've been lucky so far! I do run a front plate on my LR3 daily driver.. it doesn't look bad, and since I drive it the most, no point in risking it with that car.
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This ist the price here in Germany, when you earn a lot of money and you have a copied smaller plate.
Michael Stoschek: 1,65 Millionen Euro Strafe wegen Klebekennzeichen am Porsche - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Thomas
Michael Stoschek: 1,65 Millionen Euro Strafe wegen Klebekennzeichen am Porsche - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Thomas
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This ist the price here in Germany, when you earn a lot of money and you have a copied smaller plate.
Michael Stoschek: 1,65 Millionen Euro Strafe wegen Klebekennzeichen am Porsche - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Thomas
Michael Stoschek: 1,65 Millionen Euro Strafe wegen Klebekennzeichen am Porsche - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Thomas