Fuel additives?
#61
08-14-2017, 02:40 PM
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But I'll also point out that my local Jag/Land Rover dealer (and they're legit) strongly recommended they perform a similar procedure on my car the last time it was in. It was not due to an issue with the car, just something they recommend for those engines at 30K mile intervals. I'll see if I can get the exact price they quoted.
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08-14-2017, 02:44 PM
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I am pleasantly surprised that JLR went with BK44. Because if I recall correctly BK contains Moly- which is a solid lubricant. Will have to look it up. My suspicion is that they went with it because of feed back from their shops on how to save money on fuel injector replacements as most of these shops use the BG service. Techron is not pushed through the professional network like BG is.
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08-14-2017, 02:47 PM
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Fair enough.
But I'll also point out that my local Jag/Land Rover dealer (and they're legit) strongly recommended they perform a similar procedure on my car the last time it was in. It was not due to an issue with the car, just something they recommend for those engines at 30K mile intervals. I'll see if I can get the exact price they quoted.
But I'll also point out that my local Jag/Land Rover dealer (and they're legit) strongly recommended they perform a similar procedure on my car the last time it was in. It was not due to an issue with the car, just something they recommend for those engines at 30K mile intervals. I'll see if I can get the exact price they quoted.
The injector cleaning is a dealer offered service, not Jag OEM as noted on your invoice.
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08-14-2017, 03:45 PM
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But they make huge profits on the hot dogs I consume while waiting for those tires.
(I mention this because you seem to dismiss things when there is a profit motive, just letting you know nitrogen is used even when there isnt a profit motive- go figure)
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08-14-2017, 04:04 PM
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And if you look closely you'll notice those boxes aren't checked. I opted to do a little research on my own before having the service done (also figured better to have it done AFTER a cross-counttry-and-back-trip). There's a great Ford dealer in LA who preforms the same service for less-- and given that a lot of the engine components are similar, I assume it's not something they'll screw up. I'm throwing away money, I guess, and having it done next week.
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#69
08-14-2017, 04:53 PM
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And get this, both Ford and GM sell their own brand of fuel injector cleaner additive.
Check out this granted patent for fuel injector cleaner, look at all the other granted patents they cross-referenced. Not once will you see the name of a car company, Chevron, BG multiple times.
https://www.google.com/patents/US4784170
Check out this granted patent for fuel injector cleaner, look at all the other granted patents they cross-referenced. Not once will you see the name of a car company, Chevron, BG multiple times.
https://www.google.com/patents/US4784170
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Since the service accomplishes nothing on a healthy engine (may as well wave voodoo chicken bones) why would the warranty be void?
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08-15-2017, 01:26 AM
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Where are the details from Jaguar that I asked about? I'm not counting a dealer invoice!
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08-15-2017, 07:22 AM
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08-15-2017, 12:57 PM
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(Helpful to remember that these are group threads, and responses are not always singular.)
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08-15-2017, 05:49 PM
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08-15-2017, 06:43 PM
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Now THAT was interesting. Thanks.
But it raises a question for me: is the idea of cleaning carbon or other internal contaminants using some kind (any kind) of treatment or additive BS, or is it simply that A) this product is not strong enough, or B)however old this engine is, it's too far gone for any over the counter product?
But it raises a question for me: is the idea of cleaning carbon or other internal contaminants using some kind (any kind) of treatment or additive BS, or is it simply that A) this product is not strong enough, or B)however old this engine is, it's too far gone for any over the counter product?
#77
08-15-2017, 06:55 PM
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interesting video, that Techron would probably help with injectors - I know using injector cleaner cured my engine misfire on my Saab 900 turbo years ago.
The funny thing with trying to clear carbon deposits with a carbon based product by burning it surely would result in carbon.
Ya, I know it ain't that simple.
The funny thing with trying to clear carbon deposits with a carbon based product by burning it surely would result in carbon.
Ya, I know it ain't that simple.
#79
08-15-2017, 07:56 PM
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PK4144,
The difference between BG and Techron is that the latter works best as a slow and ongoing process, BG is instantaneous and what you use when you already have buildup. Techron prevents it to some degree.
I understand skepticism and the nature of it. Rather than argue I try to merely present logic. For instance 'snake oil' was yelled from the back. And lets assume it was nothing more than kerosene; would other companies be buying this snake oil from their competitor. Chevron the folks who invented gasoline clearly have some of the best minds working for them. Their 1 project in Australia is worth $430 billion (in contrast the Trump empire's net assets are $1.3B) Would such a company really need to make pennies from selling bottles of concentrate when they already sell it to in astronomical wholesale quantities. These are all questions an inquiring mind should take into consideration when being skeptic.
Regarding the need for power robbing carbon removal- This is a great article: https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...l/1567737.html
The difference between BG and Techron is that the latter works best as a slow and ongoing process, BG is instantaneous and what you use when you already have buildup. Techron prevents it to some degree.
I understand skepticism and the nature of it. Rather than argue I try to merely present logic. For instance 'snake oil' was yelled from the back. And lets assume it was nothing more than kerosene; would other companies be buying this snake oil from their competitor. Chevron the folks who invented gasoline clearly have some of the best minds working for them. Their 1 project in Australia is worth $430 billion (in contrast the Trump empire's net assets are $1.3B) Would such a company really need to make pennies from selling bottles of concentrate when they already sell it to in astronomical wholesale quantities. These are all questions an inquiring mind should take into consideration when being skeptic.
Regarding the need for power robbing carbon removal- This is a great article: https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...l/1567737.html
#80
08-15-2017, 11:32 PM
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OK now I'm obsessed with this. Thanks guys.
Jagrag, I just scanned the thread you linked to. Didn't download the long report. But the takeaway, as far as I can tell, is that the first sentence of Q&C's post that you quote above is more or less correct?
Also interesting with the sentence (I'm paraphrasing) "twice the product doesn't yield twice the results." In other words, maybe "add a bottle every 3000 miles or so" isn't such bad advice after all?
Jagrag, I just scanned the thread you linked to. Didn't download the long report. But the takeaway, as far as I can tell, is that the first sentence of Q&C's post that you quote above is more or less correct?
Also interesting with the sentence (I'm paraphrasing) "twice the product doesn't yield twice the results." In other words, maybe "add a bottle every 3000 miles or so" isn't such bad advice after all?