I'm at the end of my rope with this new 12 XKR
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Hey ICE, good to keep in mind but Alpine has done well by me imho, the new loaner they gave me today is a brand new 12 XF Portfolio with cooled seats and 16 miles on the odo...very good of them to do this as the loaner they first gave me didn't have cooled seats. Every loaner has run great, no miss or stumle when cold at all.
What did you finally decide on?
What did you finally decide on?
I really have the XKR on the brain and I'm reasonably sure that's it. But, you never know. The GTR is hard to turn away from. I'm shooting for September.
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Not really concerned about that. I like the current model and don't believe it can be made much better. Some newer designs are not improvements imo. We'll see how it goes.
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Haven't decided yet. I'm still saving up to buy a car. I don't want payments so I need to save approx 150K. That's for the car and modifications i want to make. Since I'm not rich it's gonna take time. Unless one of my money making ideas takes off.
I really have the XKR on the brain and I'm reasonably sure that's it. But, you never know. The GTR is hard to turn away from. I'm shooting for September.
I really have the XKR on the brain and I'm reasonably sure that's it. But, you never know. The GTR is hard to turn away from. I'm shooting for September.
Ironically even with that name, the GTR really isnt as much a GT car as a sports car. The XKR is definately a GT car not a sports car.
If track-like performance is your most important criteria and/or you're really looking for a sports car get the GTR, you wont be sorry.
If art, style, grace, luxury, comfort and a convertible option together come out more important than 0-60 times and/or you want a grown-ups car rather than something that looks & feels like a playstation, get the XKR.
If it was me considering a new car at this point I'd be impatiently sitting on my hands for the very few months left to check out the F Type before I made a purchasing decision. I have a feeling it will be something special.
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Haven't decided yet. I'm still saving up to buy a car. I don't want payments so I need to save approx 150K. That's for the car and modifications i want to make. Since I'm not rich it's gonna take time. Unless one of my money making ideas takes off.
I really have the XKR on the brain and I'm reasonably sure that's it. But, you never know. The GTR is hard to turn away from. I'm shooting for September.
I really have the XKR on the brain and I'm reasonably sure that's it. But, you never know. The GTR is hard to turn away from. I'm shooting for September.
Ironically even with that name, the GTR really isnt as much a GT car as a sports car. The XKR isn't.
If track-like performance is your most important criteria and/or you're really looking for a sports car get the GTR, you wont be sorry.
If art, style, grace, luxury, comfort are together more important than 0-60 times and/or you want a grown-ups car rather than something that looks/drives like a playstation, get the XKR.
If it was me considering a new car purchase at this point I'd be impatiently sitting on my hands for the very few months left to check out the F Type before I made a purchasing decision. I have a feeling it will be something special.
Actually I might also be looking to test drive a Lotus Evora and maybe even a Fisker Karma.
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Seems like it should be an easy choice to me. The GTR and the XKR are totally different cars. What type of car are you looking for?
Ironically even with that name, the GTR really isnt as much a GT car as a sports car. The XKR isn't.
If track-like performance is your most important criteria and/or you're really looking for a sports car get the GTR, you wont be sorry.
If art, style, grace, luxury, comfort are together more important than 0-60 times and/or you want a grown-ups car rather than something that looks/drives like a playstation, get the XKR.
Ironically even with that name, the GTR really isnt as much a GT car as a sports car. The XKR isn't.
If track-like performance is your most important criteria and/or you're really looking for a sports car get the GTR, you wont be sorry.
If art, style, grace, luxury, comfort are together more important than 0-60 times and/or you want a grown-ups car rather than something that looks/drives like a playstation, get the XKR.
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Thanks very much...dealership intervined on my behalf and got me out of my lease but I could have easily gone the LL route and maybe should have as others in the XJ forum did; they were allowed to keep driving thier lemon until the replacement came in which allowed them to keep all the terms etc of their lease/financing the same not having to renegotiate whcih would be unfavorable.
Last edited by RJC; 05-11-2012 at 05:51 PM.
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Seems like it should be an easy choice to me. The GTR and the XKR are totally different cars. What type of car are you looking for?
Ironically even with that name, the GTR really isnt as much a GT car as a sports car. The XKR isn't.
If track-like performance is your most important criteria and/or you're really looking for a sports car get the GTR, you wont be sorry.
If art, style, grace, luxury, comfort are together more important than 0-60 times and/or you want a grown-ups car rather than something that looks/drives like a playstation, get the XKR.
If it was me considering a new car purchase at this point I'd be impatiently sitting on my hands for the very few months left to check out the F Type before I made a purchasing decision. I have a feeling it will be something special.
Actually I might also be looking to test drive a Lotus Evora and maybe even a Fisker Karma.
Ironically even with that name, the GTR really isnt as much a GT car as a sports car. The XKR isn't.
If track-like performance is your most important criteria and/or you're really looking for a sports car get the GTR, you wont be sorry.
If art, style, grace, luxury, comfort are together more important than 0-60 times and/or you want a grown-ups car rather than something that looks/drives like a playstation, get the XKR.
If it was me considering a new car purchase at this point I'd be impatiently sitting on my hands for the very few months left to check out the F Type before I made a purchasing decision. I have a feeling it will be something special.
Actually I might also be looking to test drive a Lotus Evora and maybe even a Fisker Karma.
I also like spirited driving at times. But when I'm not weaving through traffic I want to relax, turn up the music and be comfortable.
I also like the semi-exotic look of the XKR. The loooong hood and short rear. Sensuous curves. The XKR is the right car but the elephant in the room is the reliability.
The GTR had a problem with launch control but that has been resolved. Everything else I've heard it that its as reliable as any other Japanese car. I can make it more luxurious by changing out the interior. I've seen it done. My choice of suspension mods will make it more daily driver friendly and my choice of wheels and coloring cam make it more mature.
Either car will work for me but the GTR being more reliable make it really attractive. A friend of mine, same age range, loves his GTR. He drives it everyday. Got rid of his Lexus, too. That tells me the GTR can handle daily duty.
Bottom line, I swoon everytime I see an XKR.
I don't get the same reaction to the GTR but I know its a heck of a car.
One gets to the heart.
The other gets to my head.
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RJC doesn't know what was causing his car to misfire. He has only speculated.
So, let's not make up chronic problems with Jaguars that don't exist.
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A few others on the XJ forum are having the same misfire and chose for now to live with it. The shop foreman of my dealership said it was either valve guides or a cylinder issue which would require a replacement head or engine. It is not an easy fix as if it was my car would have been repaired and returned to me weeks ago and the other persons car was in the shop for +/-2 months. Hopefully Jaguar will isolate the vin range soon and correct the issue with their parts supplier and notify affected owners.
Last edited by RJC; 05-11-2012 at 10:11 PM.
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ICE, you really should consider buying RJC's car from Alpine. The engine misfire will soon be resolved even if that means a new engine. The car has now depreciated sufficiently to make this a killer deal, for what is essentially a new car with new tyres and very low wear and tear.
I would have no hesitation in buying it after Jag have fixed it.
SL550 or XJR or GTR, all nice cars, but in my opinion (for what it's worth) there is just no contest.
It's unlikely that Alpine are out of pocket on this situation as it will all be underwritten by Jag.
Go one ICE, grab yourself a bargain........
I would have no hesitation in buying it after Jag have fixed it.
SL550 or XJR or GTR, all nice cars, but in my opinion (for what it's worth) there is just no contest.
It's unlikely that Alpine are out of pocket on this situation as it will all be underwritten by Jag.
Go one ICE, grab yourself a bargain........
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Here is the only thread that I am aware of from the XJ forum that discusses the problem of a cold start misfire:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...new-car-63871/
There was no one in that thread who was choosing to "live with it." The fix, that Jaguar was well aware of, was to replace a fuel injector. That worked for everyone, except for the one person who had a cylinder issue. For that person, they ultimately fixed his car, and they gave him a loaner for the entire time it took to fix his car, but after it was all over, he asked for a new car anyway, and they gave it to him. He didn't even have to go the Lemon Law route.
I'm only pointing this out so that people who read this forum don't get a distorted idea of what's going with this issue that affected some cars.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...new-car-63871/
There was no one in that thread who was choosing to "live with it." The fix, that Jaguar was well aware of, was to replace a fuel injector. That worked for everyone, except for the one person who had a cylinder issue. For that person, they ultimately fixed his car, and they gave him a loaner for the entire time it took to fix his car, but after it was all over, he asked for a new car anyway, and they gave it to him. He didn't even have to go the Lemon Law route.
I'm only pointing this out so that people who read this forum don't get a distorted idea of what's going with this issue that affected some cars.
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ICE, you really should consider buying RJC's car from Alpine. The engine misfire will soon be resolved even if that means a new engine. The car has now depreciated sufficiently to make this a killer deal, for what is essentially a new car with new tyres and very low wear and tear.
I would have no hesitation in buying it after Jag have fixed it.
SL550 or XJR or GTR, all nice cars, but in my opinion (for what it's worth) there is just no contest.
It's unlikely that Alpine are out of pocket on this situation as it will all be underwritten by Jag.
Go one ICE, grab yourself a bargain........
I would have no hesitation in buying it after Jag have fixed it.
SL550 or XJR or GTR, all nice cars, but in my opinion (for what it's worth) there is just no contest.
It's unlikely that Alpine are out of pocket on this situation as it will all be underwritten by Jag.
Go one ICE, grab yourself a bargain........
Last edited by ice350; 05-12-2012 at 06:29 AM.
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I can't recall the figure that was quoted in an earlier thread, and as this threadis growing rapidly, i couldnt spot it easilly, but it was something like depreciation of $25-30k already.
New engine or not, the fix will be paid for by Jaguar. That vehicle is still only worth its top book value considering its second hand now even with a new engine (which we dont know yet if one is needed)
Either way, its a killer deal for someone.
New engine or not, the fix will be paid for by Jaguar. That vehicle is still only worth its top book value considering its second hand now even with a new engine (which we dont know yet if one is needed)
Either way, its a killer deal for someone.
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ice, have you driven one / sat in one yet? I'm 6' 1" and feel like I'm pretty close to being about as tall as you'd want to be for an XK. Obviously everybody is built differently, and everyone has their "ideal" seating position but I figured it would be worth mentioning.
As for the reliability thing, I went searching a while back and found the same thing aahmichael did. Searching for "misfire" in the relevant XJ / XK forums, you can read everything there is to know in about 5 minutes. RJC's car obviously had some issues, but stating that certain VIN ranges suffer from a condition that requires a cylinder head replacement seems like wild speculation, based upon what I've read.
As for the reliability thing, I went searching a while back and found the same thing aahmichael did. Searching for "misfire" in the relevant XJ / XK forums, you can read everything there is to know in about 5 minutes. RJC's car obviously had some issues, but stating that certain VIN ranges suffer from a condition that requires a cylinder head replacement seems like wild speculation, based upon what I've read.