Interesting find if your keyfob dies
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Interesting find if your keyfob dies
Mine actually hasn't died, but as my car was only supplied with a single fob I bought another for £184 inc last week and am due to have it programmed by my Indy Friday 21st May (payday for me)
I had initially thought that with the emergency key I could only access the boot, but apparently not as seen 1m into this video you can access the passenger side (UK) or drivers side US/EU mainland
Now here's the thing, with my good fob well away from the car, so that it was registering 'keyfob not found' I inserted the unprogrammed fob into the slot in the armrest and lo and behold the car started!!
So am now contemplating not even paying the £75 fee for having the new keyfob programmed as an programmed one will start my car and means it will start any X150
Oh, bought a blank emergency key off ebay for less than £5
So total cost would be
£184 inc tax for fob (includes my 15% dealer discount)
£5 inc. for key blank delivered off ebay
£90 inc. for programming at Indy
£19 inc. for laser cutting the key blank
Total £298 (x 1.39 for USD) = $414 for a new programmed fob and cut key.
Sorry if teaching granny to suck eggs, but I didn't know
This does of course mean you can steal any unlocked X150 for the price (£184/$256) of a key-fob
PS: Anyone in Somerset UK with an XKR-S GT??
I had initially thought that with the emergency key I could only access the boot, but apparently not as seen 1m into this video you can access the passenger side (UK) or drivers side US/EU mainland
Now here's the thing, with my good fob well away from the car, so that it was registering 'keyfob not found' I inserted the unprogrammed fob into the slot in the armrest and lo and behold the car started!!
So am now contemplating not even paying the £75 fee for having the new keyfob programmed as an programmed one will start my car and means it will start any X150
Oh, bought a blank emergency key off ebay for less than £5
So total cost would be
£184 inc tax for fob (includes my 15% dealer discount)
£5 inc. for key blank delivered off ebay
£90 inc. for programming at Indy
£19 inc. for laser cutting the key blank
Total £298 (x 1.39 for USD) = $414 for a new programmed fob and cut key.
Sorry if teaching granny to suck eggs, but I didn't know
This does of course mean you can steal any unlocked X150 for the price (£184/$256) of a key-fob
PS: Anyone in Somerset UK with an XKR-S GT??
Last edited by MarkyUK; 05-09-2021 at 05:24 PM.
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Perhaps someone has attempted to add a key in the past. If they weren't successful the unit can stay in autolearn mode and will add a blank key if one is inserted in to the slot:
From the key programming guide:
There are situations that can be created by failed key/IC programming attempts that could also leave
an IC in "autolearn" mode. For example, if a technician was attempting to program a total of 3 keys, but the
procedure failed after only 1 key was fully programmed; then the IC may still be in "autolearn" mode.
For this reason it is important to NEVER insert any additional keys into the SCU after a failed Key/IC programming
attempt, unless instructed to do so by IDS on-screen or elsewhere in this recovery procedure documentation.
When an IC is in "autolearn" mode, and a Smart Key is inserted into the SCU, the key code data is passed to the
IC, which can recognize whether the key is in a "default" state or not.
If this key is NOT in the default state, nothing is altered in the key or the module.
If the key is in the "default" state, the IC will instantly perform the following routine to "pair" itself with this key.
1. A new SECRET key code is generated by the IC.
2. The new SECRET code is written to the "active" key replacing the "DEFAULT" code.
3. This key code data is added to the IC's "key-ring" to complete the "pairing" procedure.
From the key programming guide:
There are situations that can be created by failed key/IC programming attempts that could also leave
an IC in "autolearn" mode. For example, if a technician was attempting to program a total of 3 keys, but the
procedure failed after only 1 key was fully programmed; then the IC may still be in "autolearn" mode.
For this reason it is important to NEVER insert any additional keys into the SCU after a failed Key/IC programming
attempt, unless instructed to do so by IDS on-screen or elsewhere in this recovery procedure documentation.
When an IC is in "autolearn" mode, and a Smart Key is inserted into the SCU, the key code data is passed to the
IC, which can recognize whether the key is in a "default" state or not.
If this key is NOT in the default state, nothing is altered in the key or the module.
If the key is in the "default" state, the IC will instantly perform the following routine to "pair" itself with this key.
1. A new SECRET key code is generated by the IC.
2. The new SECRET code is written to the "active" key replacing the "DEFAULT" code.
3. This key code data is added to the IC's "key-ring" to complete the "pairing" procedure.
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I had to use the emergency key twice to get into my 2007 XK when it locked itself with the engine running and me outside. With passive entry on my 2014, the Smartkey never comes out of my pocket and I've not yet needed the emergency key.
Before carrying out my own locking and docking experiments, I'm waiting for the follow-up thread - What to do when you vehicle doesn't recognise either of your Smartkeys.
Graham
Before carrying out my own locking and docking experiments, I'm waiting for the follow-up thread - What to do when you vehicle doesn't recognise either of your Smartkeys.
Graham
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Ok so today I took my keyfob to be programmed.
My Indy tested in the slot before they did so and the car fired straight up.
They then tested it with a brand new fob from the same main dealer (they always keep at least 1 in stock) and it wouldn't start the car.
They refused to try it in any of the other x150's they had on their site though.
So looks like I've a bit of a one-off that they can't explain as have never had the experience before.
My Indy tested in the slot before they did so and the car fired straight up.
They then tested it with a brand new fob from the same main dealer (they always keep at least 1 in stock) and it wouldn't start the car.
They refused to try it in any of the other x150's they had on their site though.
So looks like I've a bit of a one-off that they can't explain as have never had the experience before.
Last edited by MarkyUK; 05-21-2021 at 04:16 PM.
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Interresting, thanks!
I’m wondering if one of these could go the job on a X150 or X351:
US $399.00 32% Off | OBDPROG 501 Key Programmer Immobilizer EEPROM Car Key Pin Code Reader Diagnostic Tool Keys Remote Program Car Diagnostic Tools
https://a.aliexpress.com/_vp0g97
they mention Jaguar on their compatibility list but well…
(For the records I laughed when I saw “Borgward” on one of their screenshots as that brand disappeared in the 60s, but I checked and in fact the Chinese bought it and now sell cars under that prestigious name…)
I’m wondering if one of these could go the job on a X150 or X351:
US $399.00 32% Off | OBDPROG 501 Key Programmer Immobilizer EEPROM Car Key Pin Code Reader Diagnostic Tool Keys Remote Program Car Diagnostic Tools
https://a.aliexpress.com/_vp0g97
they mention Jaguar on their compatibility list but well…
(For the records I laughed when I saw “Borgward” on one of their screenshots as that brand disappeared in the 60s, but I checked and in fact the Chinese bought it and now sell cars under that prestigious name…)
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