Jaguar XK ALC - the better X150
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Jaguar XK ALC - the better X150
Came across Ian Callum's original XK concept ALC again after 10 years and was reminded how the powers that be at Ford made horrible changes to the cosmetics and trim. If Callum had his way, I believe the XK would have been on par with cars twice it's MSRP. Check out the custom shifter assembly, interior door pulls, gauges, sleek exterior door releases, etc. Instead we got some old recycled parts from the S-ype & XJ. I even like how the exhaust is integrated into the rear bumper, something that has always bothered with the production version with pipes dangling and exposed. And I would much prefer the front bumper ducts to the silly fogs and mesh grilles on the XKR.
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Jacsun (05-22-2016)
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Because I'm old school, I prefer the wood interior trim in my 2009 XKR Portfolio. I was surprised that my shift knob looks just like the concept! The front bumper cooling duct design is used on the current XJR. The concept's grille crossbar paid homage to the E-Type but was a mistake only because the Taurus also used that design. It was used on the 2007 models but dropped thereafter.
I'm not a fan of the concept's tailpipe design and prefer the quad exhaust tips. Overall, I think the 2008-2009 body design approaches perfection with it's classic understated elegance and beautiful and sensual flowing lines, with the only significant improvement being the LED taillights that began with the 2010 models. I'm not a fan of the later model catfish face.
I'm not a fan of the concept's tailpipe design and prefer the quad exhaust tips. Overall, I think the 2008-2009 body design approaches perfection with it's classic understated elegance and beautiful and sensual flowing lines, with the only significant improvement being the LED taillights that began with the 2010 models. I'm not a fan of the later model catfish face.
Last edited by Stuart S; 05-22-2016 at 07:45 PM.
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Because I'm old school, I prefer the wood interior trim in my 2009 XKR Portfolio. I was surprised that my shift knob looks just like the concept! The front bumper cooling duct design is used on the current XJR. The concept's grille crossbar paid homage to the E-Type but was a mistake only because the Taurus also used that design. It was used on the 2007 models but dropped thereafter.
I'm not a fan of the concept's tailpipe design and prefer the quad exhaust tips. Overall, I think the 2008-2009 body design approaches perfection with it's classic understated elegance and beautiful and sensual flowing lines, with the only significant improvement being the LED taillights that began with the 2010 models. I'm not a fan of the later model catfish face.
I'm not a fan of the concept's tailpipe design and prefer the quad exhaust tips. Overall, I think the 2008-2009 body design approaches perfection with it's classic understated elegance and beautiful and sensual flowing lines, with the only significant improvement being the LED taillights that began with the 2010 models. I'm not a fan of the later model catfish face.
I too prefer quad exhausts, but ours look cheap and unfinished compared the ALC's integrated into the bumper with a full custom finish and much higher end.
I have not seen the portfolio shift knob in person, do you have better pics to share of yours? If it is identical, I want one.
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So this is the first I have seen this car. I feel in love with the manufactured version, when I see this one it to me is the less attractive. Maybe you had the opposite, you saw the concept version first and fell in love with it and now the production model is a lesser iteration to you.
I prefer my exhaust, i don't like that front bumper and the splitter's on the side, the handles are nice but who cares. I didn't know that the final version handles shared with another car and it does not bother me, after all the concept is dreamed up by auto-artist who don't care about manufacturing costs. Engineers and costing analysts then have to make it work at a price point that sells and makes the company margin, therefore design compromises occur.
To think that these subtle differences would have put this on par with cars twice it's MSRP is a stretch!
I prefer my exhaust, i don't like that front bumper and the splitter's on the side, the handles are nice but who cares. I didn't know that the final version handles shared with another car and it does not bother me, after all the concept is dreamed up by auto-artist who don't care about manufacturing costs. Engineers and costing analysts then have to make it work at a price point that sells and makes the company margin, therefore design compromises occur.
To think that these subtle differences would have put this on par with cars twice it's MSRP is a stretch!
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I am not saying that I would prefer the concept, I am saying there are specific elements of the cosmetic design that I feel are superior to the production version. Elements that would have elevated this car above other Jags at this time.
Numerous times on this forum I have seen people comment on how certain aspects of these cars feel cheap. What I am saying is touches like the shifter assembly, interior door grab handles, exhaust trim, etc give the ALC a certain level above the production versions that cheaped out with generic plastic and recycled parts from other Jag models. I think this is probably partially due to Ford being conservative and tight with money, which was well known as an issue with both Jaguar and Rover.
Numerous times on this forum I have seen people comment on how certain aspects of these cars feel cheap. What I am saying is touches like the shifter assembly, interior door grab handles, exhaust trim, etc give the ALC a certain level above the production versions that cheaped out with generic plastic and recycled parts from other Jag models. I think this is probably partially due to Ford being conservative and tight with money, which was well known as an issue with both Jaguar and Rover.
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Here's another way to look at it. A new XKR-S WAS roughly double the price of a base XK and it still had that same 10+ year old console lid armrest cover.
Last edited by jahummer; 05-23-2016 at 06:27 AM.
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Gentlemen, you don't have to defend your justifications for buying these cars.
I love them too, enough to buy two X150s, a convertible for leisure cruising and the coupe R for "tearing" it up.
I'm just saying what if...
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I am not assuming that at all. I doubt it would have cost that much more and I am certain it would not have had any negative impact on sales.
Gentlemen, you don't have to defend your justifications for buying these cars.
I love them too, enough to buy two X150s, a convertible for leisure cruising and the coupe R for "tearing" it up.
I'm just saying what if...
Gentlemen, you don't have to defend your justifications for buying these cars.
I love them too, enough to buy two X150s, a convertible for leisure cruising and the coupe R for "tearing" it up.
I'm just saying what if...
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You are absolutely spot on Jahummer.
A cheap interior and less than stellar motor is what Killed the XK. They could never claw back even when they fixed it in 2009+ models. (2010 is US).
Clarkson who is a huge JLR supporter and an even bigger patriot when it comes to British engineering; ripped the XKR for felling like it was cheaply made with acres of plastic and tin foil. He never reviewed the 2009 model where they seem to have categorical fixed what Jeremy was complaining about. Too late, you dont a second honeymoon as the new and improved you. Usually has to be with someone else. There was no bigger fan than Clarkson.
A cheap interior and less than stellar motor is what Killed the XK. They could never claw back even when they fixed it in 2009+ models. (2010 is US).
Clarkson who is a huge JLR supporter and an even bigger patriot when it comes to British engineering; ripped the XKR for felling like it was cheaply made with acres of plastic and tin foil. He never reviewed the 2009 model where they seem to have categorical fixed what Jeremy was complaining about. Too late, you dont a second honeymoon as the new and improved you. Usually has to be with someone else. There was no bigger fan than Clarkson.
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jahummer (05-23-2016)
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To each his/her own as the saying goes. I will add though, the fact that the first production versions followed so closely to the concept is more than unusual.
As I remember it, we were trying to be as careful as possible to not have too much negative effect on Jaguar at the time. That aside, one has to admit that the most significant contribution from Ford was to dramatically improve the TGW reputation of Jaguar. Hopefully, TATA has taken that into account and continues that effort.
I didn't think the concept design could be improved on but am still blown away by what sits in my garage right now. Concepts are meant to inspire the finish product but Callum's version is very nearer a reflection in that respect. As to the finer points, that is why we customize and mod.
As I remember it, we were trying to be as careful as possible to not have too much negative effect on Jaguar at the time. That aside, one has to admit that the most significant contribution from Ford was to dramatically improve the TGW reputation of Jaguar. Hopefully, TATA has taken that into account and continues that effort.
I didn't think the concept design could be improved on but am still blown away by what sits in my garage right now. Concepts are meant to inspire the finish product but Callum's version is very nearer a reflection in that respect. As to the finer points, that is why we customize and mod.
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Its a great car... I love it for what it is... purity in line . The Japanese are taking car lines and to be different going wild with them... The germans... they look like boxes - less Mercedes then BMW.... jag still continues with purity of line... Id like to enjoy it the rest of my life and its going to get expensive when the miles get up there
Loth.
Loth.
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Its a great car... I love it for what it is... purity in line . The Japanese are taking car lines and to be different going wild with them... The germans... they look like boxes - less Mercedes then BMW.... jag still continues with purity of line... Id like to enjoy it the rest of my life and its going to get expensive when the miles get up there
Loth.
Loth.
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So this is the first I have seen this car. I feel in love with the manufactured version, when I see this one it to me is the less attractive. Maybe you had the opposite, you saw the concept version first and fell in love with it and now the production model is a lesser iteration to you.
Please don't take this the wrong way but how much of a difference is there between the XKR rear quad exhaust trim and a Mustang with the same exhaust trim? Please look at the Maserati GT quad exhaust, F-Type R quad exhaust and many other sport cars in a similar price range. Whether anyone's cup of tea, at least the ALC design tried to make the exhaust special and unique and not generic.
Again, what I am saying is, look how close to production the ALC was and how much more high-end it could have been for a $100K+ car.
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Its a great car... I love it for what it is... purity in line . The Japanese are taking car lines and to be different going wild with them... The germans... they look like boxes - less Mercedes then BMW.... jag still continues with purity of line... Id like to enjoy it the rest of my life and its going to get expensive when the miles get up there
Loth.
Loth.