Last chance to replace water pump
#21
Boca,
I am looking at it financially. (the way an insurance company does when they sell insurance)
If you change your pump now it will cost you $500...or possibly $1500 five years or 40,000 miles later.
Take the later- Even the govt plays that game, if you wait till 95 to collect SS they will pay you quadruple and if you wait to cash the check in Heaven, they will double it again.
A lot can happen between now and when you need a pump, such as a better pump.
I am looking at it financially. (the way an insurance company does when they sell insurance)
If you change your pump now it will cost you $500...or possibly $1500 five years or 40,000 miles later.
Take the later- Even the govt plays that game, if you wait till 95 to collect SS they will pay you quadruple and if you wait to cash the check in Heaven, they will double it again.
A lot can happen between now and when you need a pump, such as a better pump.
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#24
UPDATE........I just happened to find one source of my coolant leak pointed out to my attention by a reliable Indy. The coolant stain is under the front manifold. Not big, but there is a brownish/redish stain . ..It is directly under part of the plumbing system that connects the front area of the engine behind the air intake and under the intake manifold, tunneled to the rear of the intake. As mentioned from an earlier thread by BLKC4t XK14 it describes: The pipe is located under the inlet manifold at the rear of the engine. It starts at the front of the engine and goes under the intake manifold and comes out the back. I can see the staining at the front. It's not easy to find. The member described it as the resin outlet pipe, but I'm not sure of it's actual description.Let's see what the dealer is able to find on their own. At least now I finally have something to point to. To be continued.
Last edited by bocatrip; 03-02-2020 at 04:45 PM.
#25
Hi bocatrip,
I meant to chime in earlier but got caught up over the weekend. Your last post #24 is where I was going to steer you as I had read about this somewhere on the forums but can't find it.
Here's one about the 4.2's: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...p-help-177177/
On my Lexus ISF this is called a valley plate leak and with them is caused by Toyota cheaping out in the factory with the type of sealant they use for that part of the engine construction. When I had mine fixed there was a $h17 ton of coolant that had collected in the valley of the engine before it managed to push out at the back and the only indication I had was the reservoir coolant level dropping each time I drove it. I would get this investigated as the labour is pretty big regardless of whether a Jag or Toyota.
I meant to chime in earlier but got caught up over the weekend. Your last post #24 is where I was going to steer you as I had read about this somewhere on the forums but can't find it.
Here's one about the 4.2's: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...p-help-177177/
On my Lexus ISF this is called a valley plate leak and with them is caused by Toyota cheaping out in the factory with the type of sealant they use for that part of the engine construction. When I had mine fixed there was a $h17 ton of coolant that had collected in the valley of the engine before it managed to push out at the back and the only indication I had was the reservoir coolant level dropping each time I drove it. I would get this investigated as the labour is pretty big regardless of whether a Jag or Toyota.
#26
Hi bocatrip,
I meant to chime in earlier but got caught up over the weekend. Your last post #24 is where I was going to steer you as I had read about this somewhere on the forums but can't find it.
Here's one about the 4.2's: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...p-help-177177/
On my Lexus ISF this is called a valley plate leak and with them is caused by Toyota cheaping out in the factory with the type of sealant they use for that part of the engine construction. When I had mine fixed there was a $h17 ton of coolant that had collected in the valley of the engine before it managed to push out at the back and the only indication I had was the reservoir coolant level dropping each time I drove it. I would get this investigated as the labour is pretty big regardless of whether a Jag or Toyota.
I meant to chime in earlier but got caught up over the weekend. Your last post #24 is where I was going to steer you as I had read about this somewhere on the forums but can't find it.
Here's one about the 4.2's: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...p-help-177177/
On my Lexus ISF this is called a valley plate leak and with them is caused by Toyota cheaping out in the factory with the type of sealant they use for that part of the engine construction. When I had mine fixed there was a $h17 ton of coolant that had collected in the valley of the engine before it managed to push out at the back and the only indication I had was the reservoir coolant level dropping each time I drove it. I would get this investigated as the labour is pretty big regardless of whether a Jag or Toyota.
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#27
I dropped my car off at the dealership and showed the shop foreman the coolant stain at the front part of the engine. He said there is probably a small hose above it. I'm fine with that. Of course they are going to pressurize the system overnight anyway to check for any other leaks. Shouldn't I NOT get charged for any diagnostic fee considering I am having a repair done for the front leak? Diagnostic fees are supposely charged when they are looking for something that either they can't find or is not fixed. Correct? I have always understood that with my extended warranty, if a repair is made, I'm only responsible for my deductable.
#28
Whether you are responsible for paying a diagnostic fee is determined by the terms and conditions of your "extended warranty." Because you have a 2010 XK, the 10-year time lapse from then until now makes me believe that you do not actually have a Certified Pre-Owned Warranty from Jaguar, the manufacturer, but instead have an Extended Service Contract from a third-party underwriter. Even if it was sold to you by a Jaguar dealer on its Jaguar letterhead, an ESC is not a Jaguar warranty, regardless of what any salesperson may have told you. Car salespeople use "extended warranty" and "extended service contract" interchangeably, but they're not the same. Only a manufacturer can issue a warranty.
So, what you probably have is a contract for repair services with definitions, exclusions, deductibles and terms and conditions, just like an insurance policy. Those T&Cs often enable the Administrator to deny paying claims. Every Extended Service Contract is different, so you have to read it carefully to understand what's covered and what's not. But every ESC includes the same provision, namely, that you can't rely on anything that you were told and that the written contract controls.
Bottom line: read your contract. Take notes of those provisions that apply to your situation and be prepared to dispute any denial of coverage if the contract isn't crystal clear about that denial.
Good luck!
So, what you probably have is a contract for repair services with definitions, exclusions, deductibles and terms and conditions, just like an insurance policy. Those T&Cs often enable the Administrator to deny paying claims. Every Extended Service Contract is different, so you have to read it carefully to understand what's covered and what's not. But every ESC includes the same provision, namely, that you can't rely on anything that you were told and that the written contract controls.
Bottom line: read your contract. Take notes of those provisions that apply to your situation and be prepared to dispute any denial of coverage if the contract isn't crystal clear about that denial.
Good luck!
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#29
Whether you are responsible for paying a diagnostic fee is determined by the terms and conditions of your "extended warranty." Because you have a 2010 XK, the 10-year time lapse from then until now makes me believe that you do not actually have a Certified Pre-Owned Warranty from Jaguar, the manufacturer, but instead have an Extended Service Contract from a third-party underwriter. Even if it was sold to you by a Jaguar dealer on its Jaguar letterhead, an ESC is not a Jaguar warranty, regardless of what any salesperson may have told you. Car salespeople use "extended warranty" and "extended service contract" interchangeably, but they're not the same. Only a manufacturer can issue a warranty.
So, what you probably have is a contract for repair services with definitions, exclusions, deductibles and terms and conditions, just like an insurance policy. Those T&Cs often enable the Administrator to deny paying claims. Every Extended Service Contract is different, so you have to read it carefully to understand what's covered and what's not. But every ESC includes the same provision, namely, that you can't rely on anything that you were told and that the written contract controls.
Bottom line: read your contract. Take notes of those provisions that apply to your situation and be prepared to dispute any denial of coverage if the contract isn't crystal clear about that denial.
Good luck!
So, what you probably have is a contract for repair services with definitions, exclusions, deductibles and terms and conditions, just like an insurance policy. Those T&Cs often enable the Administrator to deny paying claims. Every Extended Service Contract is different, so you have to read it carefully to understand what's covered and what's not. But every ESC includes the same provision, namely, that you can't rely on anything that you were told and that the written contract controls.
Bottom line: read your contract. Take notes of those provisions that apply to your situation and be prepared to dispute any denial of coverage if the contract isn't crystal clear about that denial.
Good luck!
Last edited by bocatrip; 03-03-2020 at 02:52 PM.
#30
I dropped my car off at the dealership and showed the shop foreman the coolant stain at the front part of the engine. He said there is probably a small hose above it. I'm fine with that. Of course they are going to pressurize the system overnight anyway to check for any other leaks. Shouldn't I NOT get charged for any diagnostic fee considering I am having a repair done for the front leak? Diagnostic fees are supposely charged when they are looking for something that either they can't find or is not fixed. Correct? I have always understood that with my extended warranty, if a repair is made, I'm only responsible for my deductable.
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#37
Congrats on not giving up. You still may be crazy (medical term) but now you know this isn't the reason. Though it's possible that the problem may have tipped the scales in insanity's favor.
OK seriously, You've had this issue since I've been on the XK forum. It's great to see them resolve it.
Correction, it's great they confirmed what you suspected all these years. Now here's hoping they fix it with the latest pump and that the new pump or anything else they touch to get at it, stays in excellent condition for as long as you own the car.
OK seriously, You've had this issue since I've been on the XK forum. It's great to see them resolve it.
Correction, it's great they confirmed what you suspected all these years. Now here's hoping they fix it with the latest pump and that the new pump or anything else they touch to get at it, stays in excellent condition for as long as you own the car.
#38
Congrats on not giving up. You still may be crazy (medical term) but now you know this isn't the reason. Though it's possible that the problem may have tipped the scales in insanity's favor.
OK seriously, You've had this issue since I've been on the XK forum. It's great to see them resolve it.
Correction, it's great they confirmed what you suspected all these years. Now here's hoping they fix it with the latest pump and that the new pump or anything else they touch to get at it, stays in excellent condition for as long as you own the car.
OK seriously, You've had this issue since I've been on the XK forum. It's great to see them resolve it.
Correction, it's great they confirmed what you suspected all these years. Now here's hoping they fix it with the latest pump and that the new pump or anything else they touch to get at it, stays in excellent condition for as long as you own the car.
Last edited by bocatrip; 03-04-2020 at 02:48 PM.
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