Looking for advice on the XKR vs 650i
#81
From the textbook (can you believe its Cornell, Its kindergarten level)
Whenever we look at a flat surface (a picture, a television screen) and assume we are looking at spaces and objects that have depth, we are accepting a set of visual signals that create an illusion of three dimensional space. 3D cues are so common today that we are almost unaware of them. However, these signals were not always used and understood; even today in some preliterate societies, people may have difficulty understanding 3D illusions.
We have all grown up looking at two dimensional images that purport to show three dimensional space. We take for granted the visual tricks that are used to achieve this illusion. Yet even today in some isolated cultures such images are not easily interpreted or understood.
The engineering concepts of aerodynamics in the 1930's, originally developed in connection with the airplane, were transferred to automotive design as well, particularly as cars became faster, and marketing of cars became more competitive. The result was forms that suggest movement and speed; we have all come to recognize aerodynamic forms as a symbol for speedy movement.
Whenever we look at a flat surface (a picture, a television screen) and assume we are looking at spaces and objects that have depth, we are accepting a set of visual signals that create an illusion of three dimensional space. 3D cues are so common today that we are almost unaware of them. However, these signals were not always used and understood; even today in some preliterate societies, people may have difficulty understanding 3D illusions.
We have all grown up looking at two dimensional images that purport to show three dimensional space. We take for granted the visual tricks that are used to achieve this illusion. Yet even today in some isolated cultures such images are not easily interpreted or understood.
The engineering concepts of aerodynamics in the 1930's, originally developed in connection with the airplane, were transferred to automotive design as well, particularly as cars became faster, and marketing of cars became more competitive. The result was forms that suggest movement and speed; we have all come to recognize aerodynamic forms as a symbol for speedy movement.
#82
Well said, I have stated it may times, love my Jag but it is just a car. I won't be pressured into disliking porsche, Audi, BMW, maserati, or any other brand I might choose in the future!
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carealtor (06-24-2017)
#83
And call it my still adolescent brain, but I still think it's about the 'coolest' looking thing out there.
#84
The engineering concepts of aerodynamics in the 1930's, originally developed in connection with the airplane, were transferred to automotive design as well, particularly as cars became faster, and marketing of cars became more competitive. The result was forms that suggest movement and speed; we have all come to recognize aerodynamic forms as a symbol for speedy movement.
https://www.google.com/patents/US1631269
Perhaps the second most important discovery for automobile aerodynamics was fleshed out during the 1930's. This laid out that car's did not need a complete taper to a point, but that if the initial profile was correct, you could terminate the body work of the car and still maintain a major part of the efficiency. Previously, car's designed according to that 1922 lay out incurred weight and interior space penalties to achieve the desired shape. The ability to build an aerodynamic and practical multi person passenger car arrived with this.
There are many reasons the German racing cars were so dominate, and an understanding of aerodynamics(Not just cars that looked aerodynamic) was a part of it. WWII intervened, but the Germans had plans for cars using negative air foils to produce down force, increasing the control of the car, and with driver adjusted angle of attack for the wing as well. A car with fixed air foils was built, and is in Mercedes museum. No one really caught on to this idea after the war for quite some time. The generation that had developed it passed away. While the drawings existed, the understanding of what purpose they fulfilled had been lost in the war.
#85
From the textbook (can you believe its Cornell, Its kindergarten level)
Whenever we look at a flat surface (a picture, a television screen) and assume we are looking at spaces and objects that have depth, we are accepting a set of visual signals that create an illusion of three dimensional space. 3D cues are so common today that we are almost unaware of them. However, these signals were not always used and understood; even today in some preliterate societies, people may have difficulty understanding 3D illusions.
We have all grown up looking at two dimensional images that purport to show three dimensional space. We take for granted the visual tricks that are used to achieve this illusion. Yet even today in some isolated cultures such images are not easily interpreted or understood.
The engineering concepts of aerodynamics in the 1930's, originally developed in connection with the airplane, were transferred to automotive design as well, particularly as cars became faster, and marketing of cars became more competitive. The result was forms that suggest movement and speed; we have all come to recognize aerodynamic forms as a symbol for speedy movement.
Whenever we look at a flat surface (a picture, a television screen) and assume we are looking at spaces and objects that have depth, we are accepting a set of visual signals that create an illusion of three dimensional space. 3D cues are so common today that we are almost unaware of them. However, these signals were not always used and understood; even today in some preliterate societies, people may have difficulty understanding 3D illusions.
We have all grown up looking at two dimensional images that purport to show three dimensional space. We take for granted the visual tricks that are used to achieve this illusion. Yet even today in some isolated cultures such images are not easily interpreted or understood.
The engineering concepts of aerodynamics in the 1930's, originally developed in connection with the airplane, were transferred to automotive design as well, particularly as cars became faster, and marketing of cars became more competitive. The result was forms that suggest movement and speed; we have all come to recognize aerodynamic forms as a symbol for speedy movement.
Speaking English is one of them. I sometimes tell people it took me several years to learn English, and they do not understand.
While I was initially resistant to the view you have put forth for us, I realize that the translation of real objects into outlines, and outlines into realizations of 3d shapes, is in fact an acquired skill. If it were natural, the need to teach art would not exist.
#87
While people are generally apprehensive to uncomfortable thoughts, they shutdown even more when they are confronted with the possibility that their lust was indeed engineered.
If you are further interested in the social engineering that is art, Dr. Nigel Spivey of Cambridge has done a brilliant 5 hour documentary titled "How art made the world"
#88
Here is a pristine 2007 XKR for sale in Phoenix
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/6182617506.html
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/6182617506.html
#89
I agree, almost all 928's were automatics as well. It is a fantastic car to have for the person who can afford more than one and hires someone to rotate them through mechanic's shops.
The interior is fantastic(If you're Italian sized), and the driving experience if its in shape is proper Grande Touring. A shame the car's were so expensive to run that generally they are just out rotting. Very few owners actually take care of them. It takes a brave sort of "The numbers do not matter me" to run 928's.
The interior is fantastic(If you're Italian sized), and the driving experience if its in shape is proper Grande Touring. A shame the car's were so expensive to run that generally they are just out rotting. Very few owners actually take care of them. It takes a brave sort of "The numbers do not matter me" to run 928's.
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Tervuren (06-27-2017)
#90
If I were you I'd spend a little more and get a 2015 XKRS, brand new they were a 160k cars and with the rarity, and being the last XK their bound to appreciate, their a lot of fun to drive, relatively light given the aerospace aluminum construction, feel special, sound amazing andare timeless, also the XKR is one of the ten best cars to buy in terms of resale value along with the G wagon and R8
#91
AyyVlogs is spot on.
Ask the same question by the OP on a beemer site and you should expect the same responses in reverse. The big "but" in that for me is when my brother visits in his 650i and he is always more impressed with my XK than his wheels. He says the beemer is nice but the Jag is a sports car! I agree, of course.
Ask the same question by the OP on a beemer site and you should expect the same responses in reverse. The big "but" in that for me is when my brother visits in his 650i and he is always more impressed with my XK than his wheels. He says the beemer is nice but the Jag is a sports car! I agree, of course.
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#93
BMW will always have a "yuppie" connotation from my perspective, going back to the 80s. I don't know if that will every pass. Jaguar, on the other hand, has always had a better sense of style than the three-box sedans everyone else makes. I would much rather drive my XKR and hear the occasional "What was that?" than have a car that looks like so many others. There is some value in the exclusivity factor, although that is a personal evaluation.
I did see an entertaining review of a Jaguar, wherein the reviewer commented that users who buy a Porsche are Speed Racer wannabes, Corvettes, well, that's a midlife crisis, and a Mercedes, that's just trying to hard. With the Jaguar, you are making the statement that you have arrived in life. Funny thing - that reviewer never even mentioned a BMW, as if it wasn't even worthy of comparison.
I did see an entertaining review of a Jaguar, wherein the reviewer commented that users who buy a Porsche are Speed Racer wannabes, Corvettes, well, that's a midlife crisis, and a Mercedes, that's just trying to hard. With the Jaguar, you are making the statement that you have arrived in life. Funny thing - that reviewer never even mentioned a BMW, as if it wasn't even worthy of comparison.
#94
MB and BMW have diluted their brand by covering too many price points and use cases. Is there any prestige in owning either? What is the price difference spread between the least expensive BMW/MB to Jaguar? What is the average price of a new BMW/MB to a Jaguar?
I don't know the answers but would be curious. Could be the same...
I don't know the answers but would be curious. Could be the same...
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AyyVlogs (04-11-2018)
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