OEM or aftermarket for these suspension parts
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OEM or aftermarket for these suspension parts
For my 2010 XK Coupe, I happen to need the following suspension parts due to the boots being torn or damaged. 2 Front Upper Control Arms 2 Rear Upper Control Arms 2 lower Control Arms 2 Outer Tie Rod ends, 2 Rear Sway Bar Links. What manufacturer would you recommend other than OEM and is there any way to repair the boots without replacement of the entire part? Is OEM the only way to go without issues? Thanks all.
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I do believe the control arms are from a Lincoln LS. I'm not positive though.
Maybe??? Someone once said it's true. I'm trying to tile my back hall and half-bath, so I have no time to research, but here's for the LS:
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...trol+arm,10401
Maybe??? Someone once said it's true. I'm trying to tile my back hall and half-bath, so I have no time to research, but here's for the LS:
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...trol+arm,10401
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For my 2010 XK Coupe, I happen to need the following suspension parts due to the boots being torn or damaged. 2 Front Upper Control Arms 2 Rear Upper Control Arms 2 lower Control Arms 2 Outer Tie Rod ends, 2 Rear Sway Bar Links. What manufacturer would you recommend other than OEM and is there any way to repair the boots without replacement of the entire part? Is OEM the only way to go without issues? Thanks all.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...cement-227495/
Mevotech and Moog are both great brands. Parts (Control arms) from an 06 Lincoln LS will match our cars as will S-Type and Thunderbirds
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As the OP of this thread.. I've been told by Jaguar that the original suspension parts (mentioned in post #1) have be superseded with updated parts and that the original substandard opaque and possibly silicone based boot/cover for all these parts have been improved with a different quality cover/boot. In addition, the quality of the metal of these suspension parts has also been improved. Can anyone verify through personal experience or otherwise that this is the case for our OEM factory suspension parts? I of course am most interested in a revised boot/cover as there have been so many issues with the originals not holding up over time. I believe I read somewhere on this forum that these covers/boots were revised over 10 years ago. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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bocatrip: Get the part numbers of all the suspension parts you're looking for and list them here. The PN's may be superseded over the years in many cases, which is why you should start from early PN's and include superseded PN's as you search.
Most of the suspension parts are Lemfoerders. The shocks/structs are usually Bilsteins. I've used Eurospares in a couple of cases for the upper front wishbones : Jag part: $700. Eurospare: $120. Try Mevotech as well.
You can save a HUGE amount of money by pressing new bushings (UK: bushes) into existing suspension parts. Some allow it (front wishbone lower), some are partial (front lower control arms large bushing only). Some don't allow it, or you can't get the bushing alone without the major part. Here's an example: the Jag PN for the front control arm ("banana arm") is between $500-750. The large Lemfoerder bushing for that part is $49. The metal doesn't really wear out: only the bushings do. But, you need a press. Once you're done it and realize how simple it is, you'll slap your forehead about all the money you didn't need to spend.
Jag parts are vastly overpriced. Car is a lot easier to maintain if you do some research for alternatives. Save bucks for those you must buy from Jag, such as ECU's.
Most of the suspension parts are Lemfoerders. The shocks/structs are usually Bilsteins. I've used Eurospares in a couple of cases for the upper front wishbones : Jag part: $700. Eurospare: $120. Try Mevotech as well.
You can save a HUGE amount of money by pressing new bushings (UK: bushes) into existing suspension parts. Some allow it (front wishbone lower), some are partial (front lower control arms large bushing only). Some don't allow it, or you can't get the bushing alone without the major part. Here's an example: the Jag PN for the front control arm ("banana arm") is between $500-750. The large Lemfoerder bushing for that part is $49. The metal doesn't really wear out: only the bushings do. But, you need a press. Once you're done it and realize how simple it is, you'll slap your forehead about all the money you didn't need to spend.
Jag parts are vastly overpriced. Car is a lot easier to maintain if you do some research for alternatives. Save bucks for those you must buy from Jag, such as ECU's.
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bocatrip: Get the part numbers of all the suspension parts you're looking for and list them here. The PN's may be superseded over the years in many cases, which is why you should start from early PN's and include superseded PN's as you search.
Most of the suspension parts are Lemfoerders. The shocks/structs are usually Bilsteins. I've used Eurospares in a couple of cases for the upper front wishbones : Jag part: $700. Eurospare: $120. Try Mevotech as well.
You can save a HUGE amount of money by pressing new bushings (UK: bushes) into existing suspension parts. Some allow it (front wishbone lower), some are partial (front lower control arms large bushing only). Some don't allow it, or you can't get the bushing alone without the major part. Here's an example: the Jag PN for the front control arm ("banana arm") is between $500-750. The large Lemfoerder bushing for that part is $49. The metal doesn't really wear out: only the bushings do. But, you need a press. Once you're done it and realize how simple it is, you'll slap your forehead about all the money you didn't need to spend.
Jag parts are vastly overpriced. Car is a lot easier to maintain if you do some research for alternatives. Save bucks for those you must buy from Jag, such as ECU's.
Most of the suspension parts are Lemfoerders. The shocks/structs are usually Bilsteins. I've used Eurospares in a couple of cases for the upper front wishbones : Jag part: $700. Eurospare: $120. Try Mevotech as well.
You can save a HUGE amount of money by pressing new bushings (UK: bushes) into existing suspension parts. Some allow it (front wishbone lower), some are partial (front lower control arms large bushing only). Some don't allow it, or you can't get the bushing alone without the major part. Here's an example: the Jag PN for the front control arm ("banana arm") is between $500-750. The large Lemfoerder bushing for that part is $49. The metal doesn't really wear out: only the bushings do. But, you need a press. Once you're done it and realize how simple it is, you'll slap your forehead about all the money you didn't need to spend.
Jag parts are vastly overpriced. Car is a lot easier to maintain if you do some research for alternatives. Save bucks for those you must buy from Jag, such as ECU's.
PS... During a quick check, I see that the very first part.. Upper Control Arm C2P25603 supersedes C2P16948 That's a good start.
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Here are the part numbers. I'm not being specific for right or left side...Front Upper Control Arms C2P25603 C2P25604 Rear Upper Control Arms C2D49448 C2D49449 Rear Lower Control Arms C2P16878 C2P16879 (2)Rear Tie Rod Link (Ends) C2D51043 Rear stabilizer links (sway bar links) C2D49528 C2D49529 I was told by Jaguar that all these parts are superseded part numbers.. Can this be verified? I'm mostly concerned about them having improved boot/covers Thanks Panthera for your help.
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upper control arms and rear sway bar links are interchangeable on all 1999 to 2023 model year cars using DEW98 suspension. X200 X202 X250 X350 X351 X150 X152, LS, T-Bird, V12 Vanquish
front sway bar links, straight and banana arm, front and rear tie rods are swappable from 2002.5-on X202, X350, X250, X152. rear lower is interchangeable from 2005 to present.
front sway bar links, straight and banana arm, front and rear tie rods are swappable from 2002.5-on X202, X350, X250, X152. rear lower is interchangeable from 2005 to present.
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I'm in the process of replacing the front upper control arms, rear upper and lower control arms, front tie rod ends, rear toe lateral links, and rear stabilizer bar end links on my new to me 2008 XKR. I ended up buying "Ford" packaged control arms and Moog links.
I purchased the front upper control arms from Rock Auto. The Ford part numbers are 6W4Z3084AA ($180) and 6W4Z3085AA ($159). Both of these parts have "Jaguar" cast in one of their arms.
I purchased the rear upper and lower control arms from Tasca Ford. Tasca lists these parts for the Lincoln LS and the Ford Thunderbird. The Ford part numbers for the rear upper arms are 6W4Z5500AB ($204) and 6W4Z5500AA ($204), and both of these also have "Jaguar" cast in one of their arms.
The Ford part numbers for the rear lowers are 6W4Z-5A649-AB ($213) and 6W4Z-5A649-AA ($250). The rear lowers do not have "Jaguar" cast in them, but they do have "SC 5B530 RH6" and "SC 5B531 LH6" cast in them. My original arms have "SC 5B530 RH2" and "SC 5B531 LH2" cast in them.
My new "Ford" rear lower control arms look to have what I am assuming are date codes stamped in them: 330/20 and 042/20.
After I ordered my new rear control arms, I found a link that a forum member had previously posted to a site that had a better deal (and free shipping) on Lemforder rear control arms. Lemforder Control Arms If/when I have to replace my front lower arms, I will most likely order from them.
Best Regards,
I purchased the front upper control arms from Rock Auto. The Ford part numbers are 6W4Z3084AA ($180) and 6W4Z3085AA ($159). Both of these parts have "Jaguar" cast in one of their arms.
I purchased the rear upper and lower control arms from Tasca Ford. Tasca lists these parts for the Lincoln LS and the Ford Thunderbird. The Ford part numbers for the rear upper arms are 6W4Z5500AB ($204) and 6W4Z5500AA ($204), and both of these also have "Jaguar" cast in one of their arms.
The Ford part numbers for the rear lowers are 6W4Z-5A649-AB ($213) and 6W4Z-5A649-AA ($250). The rear lowers do not have "Jaguar" cast in them, but they do have "SC 5B530 RH6" and "SC 5B531 LH6" cast in them. My original arms have "SC 5B530 RH2" and "SC 5B531 LH2" cast in them.
My new "Ford" rear lower control arms look to have what I am assuming are date codes stamped in them: 330/20 and 042/20.
After I ordered my new rear control arms, I found a link that a forum member had previously posted to a site that had a better deal (and free shipping) on Lemforder rear control arms. Lemforder Control Arms If/when I have to replace my front lower arms, I will most likely order from them.
Best Regards,
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If you go to the RockAuto site for some of the Ford Motorcraft arms the photo clearly shows Jaguar on some of the parts. Wish I had these a couple of years ago when I did the front upper control arms ($175 for the Motorcraft with Jag on them, $135 for the Lemfoerder, who manufactured the Motorcraft). Same arms from Jag are $650-750. I went with Eurospares. I would have preferred Lems, but couldn't find them back then.
Great info, Waldo. And Xalty. Thanks.
Great info, Waldo. And Xalty. Thanks.
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I seem unable to edit my previous post regarding Ford part numbers, so please read the following update before you order Ford rear lower control arms for your XKR. I apologize for any confusion, hate, and/or discontent.
The Ford rear lower control arms (6W4Z-5A649-AB and 6W4Z-5A649-AA) as delivered will NOT work in my '08 XKR. With the Ford arm, the sleeve in the bushing that attaches to the knuckle is about 1/4" longer than the bushing sleeve in the Jaguar arm. When you examine the sleeve in the Ford arm, it's evident that spacers are pressed on the ends of the sleeve.
The rest of the Ford rear lower arm looks to be a suitable alternative to the OEM Jaguar arm. Everything thing else fits or is in the right position. However, unless those sleeve spacers can be removed, the Lincoln LS/Ford Thunderbird rear lower arm won't work.
As a side note, as I was arranging for a return authorization with Tasca Ford, I noticed that they no longer list the Lincoln LS or Ford Thunderbird rear lower control arms as an available part via their on-line parts catalog. Harper Jaguar (which uses the same style of web interface), also no longer shows XKR rear lower control arms as available.
I just ordered a pair of Lemforder rear lower control arms (C2P16878 and C2P16879). If I have any startling revelations when I received them, I'll share them.
Best Regards,
...The Ford part numbers for the rear lowers are 6W4Z-5A649-AB ($213) and 6W4Z-5A649-AA ($250). The rear lowers do not have "Jaguar" cast in them, but they do have "SC 5B530 RH6" and "SC 5B531 LH6" cast in them. My original arms have "SC 5B530 RH2" and "SC 5B531 LH2" cast in them....
The rest of the Ford rear lower arm looks to be a suitable alternative to the OEM Jaguar arm. Everything thing else fits or is in the right position. However, unless those sleeve spacers can be removed, the Lincoln LS/Ford Thunderbird rear lower arm won't work.
As a side note, as I was arranging for a return authorization with Tasca Ford, I noticed that they no longer list the Lincoln LS or Ford Thunderbird rear lower control arms as an available part via their on-line parts catalog. Harper Jaguar (which uses the same style of web interface), also no longer shows XKR rear lower control arms as available.
I just ordered a pair of Lemforder rear lower control arms (C2P16878 and C2P16879). If I have any startling revelations when I received them, I'll share them.
Best Regards,
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As the OP of this thread.. I've been told by Jaguar that the original suspension parts (mentioned in post #1) have be superseded with updated parts and that the original substandard opaque and possibly silicone based boot/cover for all these parts have been improved with a different quality cover/boot. In addition, the quality of the metal of these suspension parts has also been improved. Can anyone verify through personal experience or otherwise that this is the case for our OEM factory suspension parts? I of course am most interested in a revised boot/cover as there have been so many issues with the originals not holding up over time. I believe I read somewhere on this forum that these covers/boots were revised over 10 years ago. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
But having changed out a number of these boot dust covers, and two today on a original 2001 S type from the opaque (possibly silicon) based boot, (21 years) to the black nitrile type. See E bay for a choice of vendors and sizes.
Over a range of cars and types.
I find there is little difference between either type. Failure is more joint operation and movement range, together with climate. The hotter drier climates do less well.
Changing and renewing the dust cover is on a case by case basis.
If the boot is just split, and the joint feels free to move and not loose. The a wipe, regrease and securing of the new boot is generally good to go.
If the boot is mostly missing and road dirt is in and around the joint and it feels gritting and loose, worn then a new part is required.
Frequent inspections when washing the car of when up on the ramps, doing tyres, maintenance work, can catch failing boots early.
Replacement suspension parts should preferably be of OEM quality.
Care should be taken, and the removal of the dust boot when pressing the new bushes in, as, ( depending on who is doing this) the new bush rubber dust cover can be nipped and torn when pressing in.
Gus from Jagrepair did a good write up on changing out the suspension bits on the S type. Not a world of difference in the Jaguar world.
JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource
Hope it went well.
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After replacing the front upper control arms, front tie rod ends, rear upper and lower control arms, rear stabilizer end links, and rear toe lateral links, the suspension in my 60,000 mile XKR still didn't feel as tight and precise as I felt it should. I hadn't yet replaced the front lower control arms, as the bushings in all four arms appeared to be in good shape. Once I removed the factory front lower control arms from the car and compared them to Eurospare replacement control arms, it was evident that my factory front lower control arms were worn.
Both of my original front lower forward (curved) arms had tears in the large chassis bushing. The chassis bushings in the replacement Eurospare control arms (part # EU-C2P17091) had significantly less play.
Both large chassis bushings in the original front lower rear (straight) arms were tight with no tears. However, the shock absorber (damper) mount bushings did have significantly more play then the shock/damper bushings in the replacement Eurospare control arms (part #s EU-C2P24861 and EU-C2P24862).
The Eurospare front lower control arms didn't have any identifying marks on them, but they appeared to be nearly identical to the factory front lower control arms. I was able to get all four arms from autohausaz.com for right at $500 with shipping and tax.
Both of my original front lower forward (curved) arms had tears in the large chassis bushing. The chassis bushings in the replacement Eurospare control arms (part # EU-C2P17091) had significantly less play.
Both large chassis bushings in the original front lower rear (straight) arms were tight with no tears. However, the shock absorber (damper) mount bushings did have significantly more play then the shock/damper bushings in the replacement Eurospare control arms (part #s EU-C2P24861 and EU-C2P24862).
The Eurospare front lower control arms didn't have any identifying marks on them, but they appeared to be nearly identical to the factory front lower control arms. I was able to get all four arms from autohausaz.com for right at $500 with shipping and tax.
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