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Old 07-07-2015, 07:57 PM
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I take some exception to the warning system. The previous owner of my 2010 XKR had virtually no oil in his car when he took it into the dealer to discuss the issues that my mechanic had brought up when we inspected the car. I drove the car about a month before and saw no warning lights nor were there any warning lights when my mechanic inspected the car or when it was brought into the dealership. And I have read on this forum about others who destroyed their engines without so much as a single warning light on low oil. So, I think it's prudent to check oil periodically, and I'd still prefer an old fashioned dipstick.
Sorry to hear that is the case on the 5.0 XK. I do not own a 5.0 and was basing my comments on what the manual says the car is supposed to do and my experience with a similar system on a MB.
 
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So, how does one "manually" check oil without an oil stick? This is the 5.0 cars, that have this "disability"? Man!, I'm so not liking how Jag has progressed.
 

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Old 07-07-2015, 09:08 PM
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Please read this thread and specifically the post I linked to about the lack of a dipstick and methods other than the sensor to check the oil level, the XF guys beat this horse dead and did it again just to make sure it dead.

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Originally Posted by tberg
WhiteXKR,
I take some exception to the warning system. The previous owner of my 2010 XKR had virtually no oil in his car when he took it into the dealer to discuss the issues that my mechanic had brought up when we inspected the car. I drove the car about a month before and saw no warning lights nor were there any warning lights when my mechanic inspected the car or when it was brought into the dealership. And I have read on this forum about others who destroyed their engines without so much as a single warning light on low oil. So, I think it's prudent to check oil periodically, and I'd still prefer an old fashioned dipstick.
+1 The engine diagnostics do not monitor oil pressure. There is also no way to get an oil pressure reading off of the OBD port. The oil level sensor is a joke. The only way to know for sure how much oil is in the car is to measure it yourself when it goes in, and keep it topped off as it is used.
 
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Old 07-08-2015, 04:29 AM
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I would interpret that to mean that Jag has determined that less than two quarts extra is nothing to get excited about. The average owner does not open the hood on a regular basis to check the oil, never mind right after an oil change. In this circumstance, a serious overfilling would go undetected with a standard dipstick.

Yes, electronic devices devices do fail, but they also advise the owner about it.

Other than nostalgia, there's not much in favour of a dipstick.
My point is that on a dipstick you can readily see an actual physical oil level. On the display, properly filled shows the same as overfilled. The "too full" warning never went off on my car with approximately two quarts of extra oil in there. The sad readout just showed "full".

I don't care that other owners don't open their hood. I do.
 
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Old 07-08-2015, 08:08 AM
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After looking at the PDF's for the 5.0L engine I can see it will be almost impossible to get any type of wire into the suction tube that will reach the bottom of the pan. It looks like the sharp turns in the tube along with the 90* bend at the bottom will prevent anything to read the volume. So with that I guess we are at the mercy of the electronics . All I can say is keep your battery up.
 
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Originally Posted by Nookieman
The only way to know for sure how much oil is in the car is to measure it yourself when it goes in, and keep it topped off as it is used.
One should expect a sporty 5L V8 to consume some oil too; so you can't own with blinders on.
 
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Old 07-09-2015, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
One should expect a sporty 5L V8 to consume some oil too; so you can't own with blinders on.
That's correct. Mine goes through about a third of a quart every 1500 miles. That would be about three hash marks on the digital dipstick.
 
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Originally Posted by Nookieman
Another issue with the electronic sensor is that they do fail, just like any other module. Hard to break a dipstick.
IVE broken a few cause owners never check and the things stick in the tube and then snap off the plastic handle. After all plastic only last forever in land fills and the oceans. you can always do a live reading
 
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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
One should expect a sporty 5L V8 to consume some oil too; so you can't own with blinders on.
I don't expect that. Without pushing these engines I would expect not to add oil between changes. After all this is not an Audi.
 
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Originally Posted by Brutal
I ... you can always do a live reading
Brutal,
Please explain further. Is this what you mean?


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No ill explain later when i have time
 
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