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Warning to Jaguar owners! If you don't want to die, change your vacuum tubes!!

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Old 10-13-2021, 10:28 PM
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Default Warning to Jaguar owners! If you don't want to die, change your vacuum tubes!!

Wow what a day to be alive! Angels must be watching over me!
The title is not an exaggeration!
Yes vacuum brittle plastic tubes in later 5.0 cars can literally kill you as I have found out today!
So I leave my house to play some volleyball today. I live just a few minutes away from the unramp onto the highway which I was planning on using. Before the unramp all the sudden when I try to brake there's nothing there, pedal is all the way down to the floor, car just keeps going as I try to brake "Wtf?" it's going through my mind, luckily I was probably going 10 mph and as I used pretty much all the strength I had in my leg was able to pull over. I turn around and slowly make it back to the house using all the strength in order to stop. I can't even imagine what the scenario would look like if I was coming from the highway with high speed. Examined the car at home and what do I find under the hood.?. Small plastic tube completely separated broke at the t conection.
WTF Jaguar ? At least with the old rubber tubes they would slowly deteriorate not completely fail like this. I had a lot of cars in my life and never had a near complete failure of the braking system as I did in my Jaguar!
Moral of the story if you want to live, replace your vacuum tubes on regular intervals ))

 
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10-17-2021, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gkubrak
There is no emergency brake. Only an electronic parking brake. Only used for.... well, parking.

Trying to engage it while moving will do nothing except make the instrument cluster chime.
The only thing the owners manual says is to only engage the parking brake while moving, in an emergency but this is in the Chassis Technical Guide for the X350/X150/X351 and XF:

Electronic Parking Brake - Dynamic Apply

There are two dynamic apply modes: low speed dynamic
and high speed dynamic. The low speed dynamic mode
operates at speeds between 2 and 20 mph (3 – 32 km/h).
The high speed dynamic mode operates at speeds above
20 mph (32 km/h).

If the parking brake switch is pulled up to the apply posi-
tion and vehicle speed is within the low speed dynamic
range, the EPB module drives the actuator to apply full
parking brake force to the rear wheels.

If the parking brake switch is pulled up to the apply posi-
tion and vehicle speed is within the high speed dynamic
range, the EPB module will apply braking force to the
rear wheels at a slower rate until full braking load is
reached or the switch is released.

The rate with which braking force is applied is controlled
by the EPB module, which monitors both current drawn
by the actuator and positional information from the actu-
ator Hall Effect sensor and compares this to information
held within its configuration software.
 
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Thanks for the alert!
 
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wow. Glad you're ok. Thanks for the heads up!
 
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Glad you're safe !
How many miles on your Jag ?
 
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Originally Posted by jbmi
Glad you're safe !
How many miles on your Jag ?
87k miles
 
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Worth checking the vacuum pump for oil leaks as well as the gasket is prone to failure. Easy to replace.




 
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Hello everyone:

I don't see why you can't make a split vacuum tube out of copper tubing and never have to worry about these braking or replacing again. Any thoughts on this?

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Hello everyone:

I don't see why you can't make a split vacuum tube out of copper tubing and never have to worry about these braking or replacing again. Any thoughts on this?

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I did this on a Bentley Continental, notorious for cracked plastic vaccum lines that require engine or steering rack out to replace, depending on your year.

In this scenario, couldn't you just pull the EPB? Rear brakes only but it's better than nothing.
 
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vacuum lines for the brake booster?
 
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Originally Posted by jahummer
Worth checking the vacuum pump for oil leaks as well as the gasket is prone to failure. Easy to replace.


on 4.2 or 5.0?
 
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432rwh Dyno on Mustang Dynometer , Approx 511 crank HP.
2013 XJ 5.0 Supercharged, (stock with Alpha Jag ECU tune), estimated power: 600+ hp, 7.7sec 1.8th mi/95mph
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Originally Posted by JDog
Hello everyone:

I don't see why you can't make a split vacuum tube out of copper tubing and never have to worry about these braking or replacing again. Any thoughts on this?

JDog
yea I would take copper, aluminum or rubber any day over crappy plastic..
 
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Where is the vacuum pump located on the 2010 xkr? I suspect an oil leak. Thanks.
 
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Lower front right corner of Crank case 3 and 5 litre.
 
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Wow, praise God you were still going slow. Good thing that tube is easy to replace also. I'll be doing this soon. Thanks for the tip.
 
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ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff*ck thats scary

i wonder what would have happened if you pulled the emergency brake
 
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Here is the part # C2D7775
I can't believe this little plastic tube is $130
So to replace all of these plastic vacuum tubes on the vehicle is probably going to be a thousand bucks. I wonder how much the aluminum or copper custom tube would cost..
 
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Originally Posted by silvertonesx24
In this scenario, couldn't you just pull the EPB? Rear brakes only but it's better than nothing.
Originally Posted by carzaddict
i wonder what would have happened if you pulled the emergency brake
There is no emergency brake. Only an electronic parking brake. Only used for.... well, parking.

Trying to engage it while moving will do nothing except make the instrument cluster chime.

In this situation you should immediately downshift to the lowest possible gear and pump the brakes repeatedly and quickly.

Glad you're ok Alex!
 
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Where on the 5.0 is the vacuum check valve for the booster line? If the leak is between the booster and the valve, you're screwed. If the leak is between the engine and valve, you should still have vacuum in the booster.
 
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I'd go silicone myself. Hard lines are great and do well with AN fittings. Question becomes, does the Jaguar easily adapt to AN fittings.

Glad you're OK and thanks for the heads up. Let us now how you get on with the repair Alex.
 
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Originally Posted by Sean W
I'd go silicone myself. Hard lines are great and do well with AN fittings. Question becomes, does the Jaguar easily adapt to AN fittings.

Glad you're OK and thanks for the heads up. Let us now how you get on with the repair Alex.
Thanks!
For now gorilla tape worked just fine as temporary fix at the broken y connection
 
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