XK 5.0Lt with 240,000 miles: comments please
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XK 5.0Lt with 240,000 miles: comments please
Hi,
I'm based in the UK but thought I'd post this in the land of the high mileage cars. A friend of mine has offered me his immaculate XK 5.0l (not supercharged) which is now nearly 10 years old. The car looks like it's 2yrs old but he's commuted to work in it every day and its now showing nearly 240,000 miles. It's been meticulously serviced by Jaguar and no expense has been spared. He's offered it to me for around $5k due to the mileage. I'll only use the car for odd weekends and doubt I'll do more than a couple of thousand miles a year. If you saw the car and drove it you'd think there were 24,000 miles on it, not 240,000: everything works, wheels and paintwork are flawless. Transmission is super smooth and engine has no timing chain rattles. Suspension and steering is similarly sound with no play, knocks or rattles.
Does anyone have experience of this sort of mileage and what will the 5.0l V8 run to before it needs a rebuild?
Thanks,
Mark.
I'm based in the UK but thought I'd post this in the land of the high mileage cars. A friend of mine has offered me his immaculate XK 5.0l (not supercharged) which is now nearly 10 years old. The car looks like it's 2yrs old but he's commuted to work in it every day and its now showing nearly 240,000 miles. It's been meticulously serviced by Jaguar and no expense has been spared. He's offered it to me for around $5k due to the mileage. I'll only use the car for odd weekends and doubt I'll do more than a couple of thousand miles a year. If you saw the car and drove it you'd think there were 24,000 miles on it, not 240,000: everything works, wheels and paintwork are flawless. Transmission is super smooth and engine has no timing chain rattles. Suspension and steering is similarly sound with no play, knocks or rattles.
Does anyone have experience of this sort of mileage and what will the 5.0l V8 run to before it needs a rebuild?
Thanks,
Mark.
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My two pennies for what it's worth...
At this point in it's life with 240K miles I look at this car as being a disposable item. (Just like diapers, you wouldn't do as in the old days and even think of reusing them.)
Consider if you were to buy it, and within a short period of time something major goes such as the engine or transmission. Are you going to shell out another $5-$8K for repairs? No probably not. And even if something lesser were to become an issue such as the rear diff. or major suspension components needing replacement, or the A/C, or the touch screen, or anything else in the $2-$3K range. Again you would have to think long and hard whether the repairs are worth more than the value of the car.
That being said I see your plan is perhaps a three year ownership at 3K to 3.5Kmiles driven per year. So what will the car be worth at 250K miles in 2022? Even if that three year ownership has minimal maint./repair costs, would it be worth $2K? That's my guess or lower. So working back, if you are looking to risk perhaps $2K total on purchase price your annual cost to buy is ~$700.00 which is what I would consider reasonable.
So offer him $2K max. And see if he has all the service records so you can see what has been done recently, and what will probably be need to be done in the next 3 years of your potential ownership. Has he tried to sell it on the open market yet? Any dealer would offer peanuts even on a trade-in purchase of another car.
At this point in it's life with 240K miles I look at this car as being a disposable item. (Just like diapers, you wouldn't do as in the old days and even think of reusing them.)
Consider if you were to buy it, and within a short period of time something major goes such as the engine or transmission. Are you going to shell out another $5-$8K for repairs? No probably not. And even if something lesser were to become an issue such as the rear diff. or major suspension components needing replacement, or the A/C, or the touch screen, or anything else in the $2-$3K range. Again you would have to think long and hard whether the repairs are worth more than the value of the car.
That being said I see your plan is perhaps a three year ownership at 3K to 3.5Kmiles driven per year. So what will the car be worth at 250K miles in 2022? Even if that three year ownership has minimal maint./repair costs, would it be worth $2K? That's my guess or lower. So working back, if you are looking to risk perhaps $2K total on purchase price your annual cost to buy is ~$700.00 which is what I would consider reasonable.
So offer him $2K max. And see if he has all the service records so you can see what has been done recently, and what will probably be need to be done in the next 3 years of your potential ownership. Has he tried to sell it on the open market yet? Any dealer would offer peanuts even on a trade-in purchase of another car.
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As for your other question, this car is probably one of the highest mileage XK's out there, and even one of the highest mileage 5.0L engine JLR products.
Who knows how many more trouble-free miles are left on it. It may run another 240K miles, or it might blow up after just 24 more miles. Thus my low value estimate of worth.
At this point it's simply a guess as to how long this car lasts before being parted out by a junk yard.
Who knows how many more trouble-free miles are left on it. It may run another 240K miles, or it might blow up after just 24 more miles. Thus my low value estimate of worth.
At this point it's simply a guess as to how long this car lasts before being parted out by a junk yard.
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[QUOTE=JagRag;2134324]As for your other question, this car is probably one of the highest mileage XK's out there, and even one of the highest mileage 5.0L engine JLR products.
Who knows how many more trouble-free miles are left on it. It may run another 240K miles, or it might blow up after just 24 more miles. Thus my low value estimate of worth.
At this point it's simply a guess as to how long this car lasts before being parted out by a junk yard.[/QUOT
Who knows how many more trouble-free miles are left on it. It may run another 240K miles, or it might blow up after just 24 more miles. Thus my low value estimate of worth.
At this point it's simply a guess as to how long this car lasts before being parted out by a junk yard.[/QUOT
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If it is in that great of condition, and lets say the engine goes sooner than later, you can make your money back or better by parting out the car. If suspension and body is in that great of condition, those parts would be worth a whole lot. For 5K I would go for it ... if you really like the car.
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Hi,
Thanks to JagRag for the comments, I tend to agree about the potential on-cost of ownership but aside from the mileage it looks like a $20k car. I can just about recover the initial outlay if I break it for spares (minus engine and transmission). I'm just interested in the milage; I know the Jag diesels are good for 350,000 miles (I know an XF with that mileage and another with 300,000+), which suggests that transmissions hold up but it's the 5.0L petrol: is there another out there with 1/4million miles on it??
Thanks,
Mark.
Thanks to JagRag for the comments, I tend to agree about the potential on-cost of ownership but aside from the mileage it looks like a $20k car. I can just about recover the initial outlay if I break it for spares (minus engine and transmission). I'm just interested in the milage; I know the Jag diesels are good for 350,000 miles (I know an XF with that mileage and another with 300,000+), which suggests that transmissions hold up but it's the 5.0L petrol: is there another out there with 1/4million miles on it??
Thanks,
Mark.
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I'm just interested in the milage; I know the Jag diesels are good for 350,000 miles (I know an XF with that mileage and another with 300,000+), which suggests that transmissions hold up but it's the 5.0L petrol: is there another out there with 1/4million miles on it??
Keep in mind, those are most likely miles of city driving. So theoretically twice the wear of motorway miles.
On the XK you would need a new back before you needed an engine if you drove 250,000 miles in the city.
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I would run not walk to buy this car immediately.
You may not have realized the greatest benefit- being able to know exactly every little thing that was done to it. For all you know, the items that actually wear were already replaced.
I would not part this car out, simply drop in a new engine when and if the time comes, so you would spend another 4k for another 100k miles.
If the valves have been cleaned, (I think they have), chains replaced (most likely been done) no reason the engine cannot got to 400k
You may not have realized the greatest benefit- being able to know exactly every little thing that was done to it. For all you know, the items that actually wear were already replaced.
I would not part this car out, simply drop in a new engine when and if the time comes, so you would spend another 4k for another 100k miles.
If the valves have been cleaned, (I think they have), chains replaced (most likely been done) no reason the engine cannot got to 400k
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I don't see a reason to turn down a car based on miles alone. However, miles can correspond to internal wear.
In general at such high mileage: automatic transmission will have clutch plates worn down; engine and transmission mounts need replacing; wheel bearings, all suspension parts, driveshaft will be past expected point of failure; internally engine will have cylinder wear that will result in loss of compression and engine chain and tensiometer are past-due; fuel pump will be at the end of useful life and injectors might be questionable. However, many of these items could be already addressed by PO. If there is a documented history of suspension refresh, transmission rebuild and engine passes compression and leak-down tests - go for it, as it would be a deal.
In general at such high mileage: automatic transmission will have clutch plates worn down; engine and transmission mounts need replacing; wheel bearings, all suspension parts, driveshaft will be past expected point of failure; internally engine will have cylinder wear that will result in loss of compression and engine chain and tensiometer are past-due; fuel pump will be at the end of useful life and injectors might be questionable. However, many of these items could be already addressed by PO. If there is a documented history of suspension refresh, transmission rebuild and engine passes compression and leak-down tests - go for it, as it would be a deal.
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I agree with most. if the car is in as good presentation shape as you say and looks better than, say 8.5 on a 1-10 scale as far as appearance and paint, etc., then decide whether you can part with $5,000 at the moment. I would approach as if it's $5k to play and enjoy and you don't plan on getting it back. if the car last 3-4 years then great, but if it lasts just 6 months, you have to be ok with that.
sure can part out, can fix and put new motor in if need. but I would approach as $5k to buy a jaguar and if it takes a dump, then it's $5k lost. that's the easiest way to look at it.
if can make some $ back if and after it fails then it's a bonus.
sure can part out, can fix and put new motor in if need. but I would approach as $5k to buy a jaguar and if it takes a dump, then it's $5k lost. that's the easiest way to look at it.
if can make some $ back if and after it fails then it's a bonus.
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I agree and without repeating everything above, It's worth $5k if you know the history and you are using it for fun only. Just expect to have to drop some money on it at some point. It is always a crap shoot...
And I'd imagine it has gone through at least 7 water pumps!!!! Sorry, someone had to say it
And I'd imagine it has gone through at least 7 water pumps!!!! Sorry, someone had to say it
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I would not let such concerns get in the way of enjoyment of ownership brother.
Look at this RR for sale with our engine. Its done a 170,000 miles- inspected multiple times, not a flaw. Only non-wear item replaced was cup holder.
Then again, its probably because it gets driven.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4791/overview/
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...&partner=CDM_U
Look at this RR for sale with our engine. Its done a 170,000 miles- inspected multiple times, not a flaw. Only non-wear item replaced was cup holder.
Then again, its probably because it gets driven.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4791/overview/
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...&partner=CDM_U
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I would not let such concerns get in the way of enjoyment of ownership brother.
Look at this RR for sale with our engine. Its done a 170,000 miles- inspected multiple times, not a flaw. Only non-wear item replaced was cup holder.
Then again, its probably because it gets driven.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4791/overview/
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...&partner=CDM_U
Look at this RR for sale with our engine. Its done a 170,000 miles- inspected multiple times, not a flaw. Only non-wear item replaced was cup holder.
Then again, its probably because it gets driven.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4791/overview/
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...&partner=CDM_U
I'm sure there are a bunch of 5.0Ls with no water pump change. Just none of them are on this forum !! hahahaha...
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Is that where any surviving X150's will end up in 100 years time?
Once gasoline is no longer produced, what else will old Jaguars be good for?