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... Fortunately I snagged a 2003 XKR convertible with 60k for $14500 from a dealer last March. ...
This proves the point I made in my Post #24, above. Values in Buyer's Guides are carved in Jell-O, and real fair market values are whatever arm's length sellers and buyers agree.
This proves the point I made in my Post #24, above. Values in Buyer's Guides are carved in Jell-O, and real fair market values are whatever arm's length sellers and buyers agree.
Did you overpay? Not if you don't think so.
I definitely don't think I did. Three factors come into that. First it had been a corporate car, well taken care of and lots of service records. To me that deserves a premium. Second, it was exactly what I had been looking for (black on black vert). Lastly I WANTED IT!!!
I bought a 2007 XKR a year ago from a local Jaguar Dealership. I can report that the price I paid was very similar to the XKRs being sold on BaT at that time and compared closely with ads on several sites (Cargurus.com, Cars.com etc). So I understanding there can be outliers on BaT but the average sales prices seem to track the car market in my limited experience with BaT. Bare in mind condition is never the same between two identical vehicles & condition/maintenance can sway the price significantly.
Keep in mind that BaT adds a 5% fee charged to your CC when you win an auction. So the actual price is even higher. I know dealers have fees too but they aren't close to 5% of sale price.
So here's something different: a 2013 XKR just sold on Bring a Trailer for $50,750. Granted, it was a very nice, low-mileage (18k) example with the Dynamic Pack and Sport Seats, but the selling price was more than I paid for mine 4 years ago with an extended warranty rolled-in. Gotta say the BaT platform has really driven prices up for a lot of previously under-appreciated cars and motorcycles. Any chance the seller's a forum member?
I bought a 2007 XKR 2 years ago on eBay, with 31,000 miles, and have been extremely pleased with it. The overall body and interior is timeless. Very solid and a great road cruiser. I have been on several 3000 mile trips, and up to 900 miles per day, and it has been bullet proof. Does not burn oil, and has no leaks anywhere! Had to replace the A/C drain valve at $700. Yikes! Otherwise, so far, so good. I have sold one car, and bought one, on BaT and had good experiences both times. They offer a lot of great cars that are hard to find anywhere else, but they are expensive, especially the old Porsches.
Below is an interesting scatter diagram of XKR sales on the site. You could interpret this and see rising prices, or you can look at it and see flat prices with a couple of outliers.
On the site, hovering your mouse over the dot will allow you to see the details on the car.
Below is an interesting scatter diagram of XKR sales on the site. You could interpret this and see rising prices, or you can look at it and see flat prices with a couple of outliers.
Or it could mean that XKs hold their value well as they age. But I suspect that, given the number of variables that go into determining the price at which these sales transacted, the sample you have shown may not be statistically significant enough to support any conclusion.
Here's my win, which will eventually be my struggle. When I bought my 2013 XKR, the dealer likely didn't realize the smallish number of this particular arrangement. The price was at the average price of XKRs which included (as far as I could see on the market) mostly standard non-speed pack bumpered cars. His was black, dynamic, and speed packaged with red /black interior and sport seats. This was precisely what I was wanting and had to wait a year for it to pop up in the used market. It was at the 20k miles mark so great setup. I bought it. Doing some research on the forum I realized that there weren't many packaged like this of all XKs sold in the US in 2013. Then fewer in 14, etc. XKRS variants should be way more sought after by car enthusiasts with so few of them. It seems so little is actually known by some buyers and non-Jag dealers. The market values of a regular XK get blurred into XKR and even XKRS. Then the packages seem to mean nearly nothing, yet they can make a significant difference in the look of the car, feel, and sound. Of course this is just my opinion as a Jag owner for almost a decade now. I wonder what you all think. Am I wrong? Or do you also see mass confusion...or perhaps a careless attitude by at least non- Jag dealers about these different XK's? The original buyers certainly cared as the price variants where quite a bit from base to XKRS.
I tried to sell my Father's 2008 XJ-8 Vanden Plas on Bring-a-Trailer (BaT) in February, right before the Pandemic. A similarly appointed 2008 Vanden Plas went for $16,000+ in January. BaT refused to take the listing for my father's car: The car that went for $16,000+ on BAT had about 50,000 miles on it and was from a Southern State (Florida I think). BaT argued that you couldn't compare a car with low miles to a car with 136,000 miles, especially a New York car vs. Florida car. "Lots of original life left in the low miles one" BaT said.
I realized $6,800 for the XJ-8 on eBay, had a good bidding war going between 2-3 very interested buyers. $10,000 difference in value and 85,000 difference in mileage.
When I think of all the happy miles my father put in on the XJ-8 (he loved the car), I understand. I think we should all drive the hell out of our cars, enjoy them and use them up! What's the fun of a garage queen?
Dad turned 89 in November, he's currently driving a new (leased) Hyundai Genesis. He says "I like the Genesis, I loved the Jaguar."
I tell Dad before he sets off on a journey (as they do in England): "Keep it between the hedges with the rubber-side down"
@TR64ever Hey, I'm next door to you in Watchung. I wonder if we've ever passed each other by.
I paid only $35,000 for my 2010 XKR Convertible, CPO and near perfect, seven years ago. That'd make mine Nine years younger than this car, similar mileage.
While I'd love to think that our cars hold this kind of value, I don't think I'd pay that much for a 4.2 version.
Three years newer, similar mileage and condition, newer model and a 5.0 engine while a few thousand $$ less on Autotrader: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
I paid only $35,000 for my 2010 XKR Convertible, CPO and near perfect, seven years ago. That'd make mine Nine years younger than this car, similar mileage.
While I'd love to think that our cars hold this kind of value, I don't think I'd pay that much for a 4.2 version.
Three years newer, similar mileage and condition, newer model and a 5.0 engine while a few thousand $$ less on Autotrader: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
Yes, that's why BaT is out of whack with the market. I don't see anything wrong with that 2011 except for the TMPS light kind of signals lazy dealer.
However, I did seek out the 4.2 SC myself when I bought my XKR specifically. Maybe as I already have a 5.0 SC in my XJ, but I definitely wanted the engine with the better reputation for reliability.
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