XKR vs Camaro...
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Looks are without question which one is the winner. As for performance depending on the model camaro he may be right. A good friend who I race with has a Lingenfelter modified SS he ran better lap times than I did in my XKR, We then switched cars and I was able to run faster in his car than mine.
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I don't think lap times mean much unless you're looking for a track car. You can't max out either of these cars on the street for more than a few seconds without crossing the line where speeding tickets turn into jail time (and looking like a giant douche).
I have to agree with the posters who said it's a matter of personal taste. I know people who love the new Camaro, and while I admit it does look striking the first time you see one by the third time it just looks overdone.
I've had similar discussions with people at work when discussing the cars I'm thinking of buying (XKR, M6, SL, CTS-V). One person in particular dislikes the Jag. I can see where it wouldn't suit his personality, but I think it suits mine the best.
I have to agree with the posters who said it's a matter of personal taste. I know people who love the new Camaro, and while I admit it does look striking the first time you see one by the third time it just looks overdone.
I've had similar discussions with people at work when discussing the cars I'm thinking of buying (XKR, M6, SL, CTS-V). One person in particular dislikes the Jag. I can see where it wouldn't suit his personality, but I think it suits mine the best.
Driving on the street there are many factors do not come to light in a qualifying lap effort.
Factors that let me get somewhere faster in my XK than my Corvette:
Better outwards visibility (If I were shorter it might be different.)
This allows me to see potential snags and react to them faster.
My ability to choose the lane that gives me the best advantage at any moment is enhanced in the Jaguar compared to the 'Vette.
Better low speed turning radius.
This allows for U-turns in the XK in places the 'Vette can't do it.
Sure, I could do a hand brake turn, but if I was waiting for a gap in traffic that isn't an option.
I could do a powerslide, but that is a lot of extra risk.
With the Jaguar, just turn the wheel and it is done.
This is a combination of suspension geometry not optimized for a low speed turn and the tightness of the differential.
Another factor, noise.
Noise can annoy people.
Annoyed people will block you.
If you can quietly slip up on someone they won't even know you were there until you're gone.
Old man yells at cloud syndrome can slow down how fast you can get to places in a loud car.
I am fortunate to live in an area where my immediate vicinity seems to actually like to hear and see a bright yellow 'Vette make noise.
Not the case everywhere though.
As mentioned, priorities are different and body size and personal affinity really matter.
For me shopping a used car I'd take the 2010 and 2011 XKR because of the Caramel interior available.
Shopping a new car the XKR no longer exists....
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Did I quick search, 2012 ZL1 Camaro is $40K average asking price, 2012 Jaguar XKR is $38K average asking price.
So Camaro held its value better, considering it was cheaper when new in 2012. It probably helps that 2020 Camaro looks still almost the same.
So Camaro held its value better, considering it was cheaper when new in 2012. It probably helps that 2020 Camaro looks still almost the same.
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Funny thread. But in the end we can probably safely presume no Jag owners struggled with whether to get the XKR or the Camaro, just as no Aston owner thought about saving
100K or two and getting a Jag. A car is not just the sum of its parts, and a car's appeal is a lot more than a single stat. The social hemisphere we live in, the shape of our economics,
and the aesthetics that comfort us all come into play to make one brand or model the thing we must have.
Comparing a Camaro to a Jag is like comparing a Klein suit to an Isaia. Yes, they both come with trousers and a jacket, and both are made of wool with many stitches and buttons,
But they're rarely seen in the same event unless it's a funeral or a wedding where a clash of stratus is expected and common.
Camaro owners should posture against Mustang people. Pony car to pony car. The Jag is not a pony car. It's the working man's Aston, and no one ever said the same about a Camaro.
100K or two and getting a Jag. A car is not just the sum of its parts, and a car's appeal is a lot more than a single stat. The social hemisphere we live in, the shape of our economics,
and the aesthetics that comfort us all come into play to make one brand or model the thing we must have.
Comparing a Camaro to a Jag is like comparing a Klein suit to an Isaia. Yes, they both come with trousers and a jacket, and both are made of wool with many stitches and buttons,
But they're rarely seen in the same event unless it's a funeral or a wedding where a clash of stratus is expected and common.
Camaro owners should posture against Mustang people. Pony car to pony car. The Jag is not a pony car. It's the working man's Aston, and no one ever said the same about a Camaro.
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Funny thread. But in the end we can probably safely presume no Jag owners struggled with whether to get the XKR or the Camaro, just as no Aston owner thought about saving
100K or two and getting a Jag. A car is not just the sum of its parts, and a car's appeal is a lot more than a single stat. The social hemisphere we live in, the shape of our economics,
and the aesthetics that comfort us all come into play to make one brand or model the thing we must have.
Comparing a Camaro to a Jag is like comparing a Klein suit to an Isaia. Yes, they both come with trousers and a jacket, and both are made of wool with many stitches and buttons,
But they're rarely seen in the same event unless it's a funeral or a wedding where a clash of stratus is expected and common.
Camaro owners should posture against Mustang people. Pony car to pony car. The Jag is not a pony car. It's the working man's Aston, and no one ever said the same about a Camaro.
100K or two and getting a Jag. A car is not just the sum of its parts, and a car's appeal is a lot more than a single stat. The social hemisphere we live in, the shape of our economics,
and the aesthetics that comfort us all come into play to make one brand or model the thing we must have.
Comparing a Camaro to a Jag is like comparing a Klein suit to an Isaia. Yes, they both come with trousers and a jacket, and both are made of wool with many stitches and buttons,
But they're rarely seen in the same event unless it's a funeral or a wedding where a clash of stratus is expected and common.
Camaro owners should posture against Mustang people. Pony car to pony car. The Jag is not a pony car. It's the working man's Aston, and no one ever said the same about a Camaro.
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curious as to how many here went that route?
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A few years ago I rented a convertible Camaro at LAX for 10 days for my trip to LA with my daughter for her March break. I was extremely disappointed with everything about the car. I was surrounded by cheap plastic, the fitting was horrendous, I felt completely unconnected with the car and I could not wait to return it. I normally go for a new Nissan Altima for a rental car for the space and quality. The Camaro was not even close to the quality of an Altima. The XKR, although not perfect, is in a completely different league. I'm considering a new C8 Z06 when available, but I'm concerned about the quality. It is ridiculous to cross shop a Camaro with an XKR.
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On one bracket I put up the new cars.(Jaguar was no longer making the XK/XKR.)
In another bracket I put up the used cars.
Used car won.
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It's the maintenance that is the biggest expense.regardless if the work is done by your self or not
A genuine part is a genuine part upper control arms $1k+ , headlights $4.5k, steering racks another few thousand ..so a few suspension components and your deep in the 1000s not likely the story with Japanese , Korean or American muscle
A genuine part is a genuine part upper control arms $1k+ , headlights $4.5k, steering racks another few thousand ..so a few suspension components and your deep in the 1000s not likely the story with Japanese , Korean or American muscle
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