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Old 02-15-2011, 06:42 PM
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Mish,

I believe BMW uses that Hella pump as an aux. pump for the heater core. I couldn't nail it down for sure but looks like BMW used that same pump on some of their 7 series cars in the 1990's. I probably won't have a chance to check mine out for several weeks. If I discover a bad pump I was going to use the Bosch pump--part. # 0 392 022 002 which I located on ebay for $109 and believe has a 10% better flow rate.
Good luck and let us know your outcome.

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Originally Posted by Mountaincat
Mish,

I believe BMW uses that Hella pump as an aux. pump for the heater core. I couldn't nail it down for sure but looks like BMW used that same pump on some of their 7 series cars in the 1990's. I probably won't have a chance to check mine out for several weeks. If I discover a bad pump I was going to use the Bosch pump--part. # 0 392 022 002 which I located on ebay for $109 and believe has a 10% better flow rate.
Good luck and let us know your outcome.

Mike, 06 XKR
This this what you are talking about?
 
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:35 AM
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That looks to be the same pump---I can't make out the part # in the pic on eBay.

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Dick,

It's interesting that the circuit is designed to protect at 15A but the motor could draw more than that? I was going to check the schematic to see how this pump is activated---thermostat or is it on when the engine is running. There could be a bad connection which would increase your resistance in the circuit and jack the amps up in the process. I'm curious how you figured that the pump wasn't running---was there an DTC on the ECU?
I just checked the folder full of notes I keep and found where I noted the intercooler pump nominal current draw to be 2.1 amps.

On the resistance point, high resistance at a connection will in fact cause heat that can melt terminals; but it will not cause higher current draw, ohms law tells you it will DECREASE current. Only lower resistance can cause higher current flow.

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Old 02-18-2011, 03:44 AM
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I installed Toyota pump from Prius's power converter cooler and it turns on along with ignition. See picture of me ziptying it on.
Not sure about power difference, since I only drove this car for few days, after I bought it.
Also, I just got my awesome "swedish" pump from SL63 AMG show up, so she will go in today, before I hit the weekend roads
 
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I got that big booty AMG pump in! Dry it revvs like a jet engine, but rather quiet when wet. Also, motor in it is a lot larger, so I had to remove rubber sleeve that went around original pump. Other than that, compressor cooling hoses are now ice cold, when I pop the hood, after getting to work.
 
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I still haven't had a chance to get into my pump---lots of business travel in the first qtr. I was looking at your Bosch pump # 0 392 022 010 which puts out 1400 dm3/hr (equates to around 6.16 GPM) flow rate versus the Bosch # 0 392 022 010 (I believe is the Ford Mustang "Lightning Pump") which puts out around 1200dm3/hr (5.28 GPM). I'd really like to know if anyone knows what the original Hella I/C pump put out in flow rate? Here's my reason---if you jack the flow rate too much will it actually lose cooling ability due to less time in the heat exchanger?

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Old 02-24-2011, 03:23 PM
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Here's my reason---if you jack the flow rate too much will it actually lose cooling ability due to less time in the heat exchanger?

Mike, 2006 XKR

Well this does not sound reasonable, cos with this rationale, boats with open cooling system would have to go slower and rev engines less, to get properly cooled, not to mention the slow flying airplaines and stuff
 
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Originally Posted by Mish_Mish
Well this does not sound reasonable, cos with this rationale, boats with open cooling system would have to go slower and rev engines less, to get properly cooled, not to mention the slow flying airplaines and stuff
Yer fergitin' the thermostat, buddy. Makes the lake recirculate if the temp ain't high enough.

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Have taken measurements some time ago to compare some pumps and the Hella flowed about 5.37 gpm and the Bosch with partno 0392022002 flowed 6.17 (all at 13 volts with a system head of about 0.3 bar and a large radiator, but stock intercoolers/piping).

Can definitely recommend the bosch one if you need to replace the original hella.
 

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Originally Posted by xjrguy
Yer fergitin' the thermostat, buddy. Makes the lake recirculate if the temp ain't high enough.

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True, not high enough, so system does not overcool, which in our case is good.
 
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Old 02-24-2011, 04:41 PM
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Sounds likes there not a huge difference between the Hella at 5.37 gpm and the smaller Bosch at 5.28 gpm or the larger Bosch at 6.16 gpm. I'll see what the price differences are between the Bosch pumps.

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Old 02-25-2011, 12:22 AM
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Here is just an example for the bosch pump PArtno 0392022002, only $119:
:http://www.siliconeintakes.com/product_info.php?products_id=1001
 
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:33 AM
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Thanks, AVOS--I saw that as well. I've been trying to locate the larger Bosch pump 0392022010 without much success. I believe it's the replacement for the Johnson I/C pump in the AMG Mercedes.

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Thats the same pump i used when i modifyed the super charger kit on my nissan, and from the same company
 
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Brutal, Assume you're talking about the Bosch 010---if so, do you remenber where you got it?

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