Adding fluid to the convertible top pump reservoir
#1
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
The top was very sluggish on my recently acquired XK8. So I read all of the posts to see where to start looking. Learned a lot and got an understanding of how it is timed with the latch and windows and basically if it snoozes you loose!
When I checked the pump I found the fluid way down and figured that was the first place to start. (Low fluid (not out) in a mower I have also affects its operation.) Got a tin of the Pentosin CHF-11S at my local AutoZone (Took awhile to find and was not listed in the computer!) for $23.95 +tax.
Was going to make up a syringe based affair as seen in some other postings. I remembered I had some old Nalgene squeeze bottles (8oz) that would do the job and since I was missing the nice nozzle that goes with them I just added a piece of rubber tubing that fit the bottle outlet and then a 1" length of hard plastic tube as a tip.
Put in about 6oz of CHF and lubricated various joints and the rams with silicone spray. Rechecked fluid level a couple days later and multiple cycles of the top and added 2 more ounces. Working great! Raises or lowers in less than 20 seconds.
When I checked the pump I found the fluid way down and figured that was the first place to start. (Low fluid (not out) in a mower I have also affects its operation.) Got a tin of the Pentosin CHF-11S at my local AutoZone (Took awhile to find and was not listed in the computer!) for $23.95 +tax.
Was going to make up a syringe based affair as seen in some other postings. I remembered I had some old Nalgene squeeze bottles (8oz) that would do the job and since I was missing the nice nozzle that goes with them I just added a piece of rubber tubing that fit the bottle outlet and then a 1" length of hard plastic tube as a tip.
Put in about 6oz of CHF and lubricated various joints and the rams with silicone spray. Rechecked fluid level a couple days later and multiple cycles of the top and added 2 more ounces. Working great! Raises or lowers in less than 20 seconds.
The following 3 users liked this post by Mogmichael:
#2
#3
#4
#5
The following users liked this post:
maringa (09-14-2018)
#6
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Johnken's question is on point.
The fluid level in the reservoir is higher with the top down vs. with it up. This is easy to verify if you have a grease pen or a Sharpie handy. Also it has to be true from simple hydraulics ... the rams hold more fluid when expanded (top up) vs. when contracted (top down) and this difference has to show up in the reservoir. Someone (SteveInFrance ?) even calculated the volume difference and posted it here years ago.
That's why Jaguar, in more than one doc., goes to the trouble to specify that you fill to the upper mark only with the top down, to a lower point with the top up. Other manufacturers do the same.
This wouldn't matter much if it were not possible to overfill the system ... but it is possible. Fill it as Jaguar says to do.
The fluid level in the reservoir is higher with the top down vs. with it up. This is easy to verify if you have a grease pen or a Sharpie handy. Also it has to be true from simple hydraulics ... the rams hold more fluid when expanded (top up) vs. when contracted (top down) and this difference has to show up in the reservoir. Someone (SteveInFrance ?) even calculated the volume difference and posted it here years ago.
That's why Jaguar, in more than one doc., goes to the trouble to specify that you fill to the upper mark only with the top down, to a lower point with the top up. Other manufacturers do the same.
This wouldn't matter much if it were not possible to overfill the system ... but it is possible. Fill it as Jaguar says to do.
Last edited by Dennis07; 06-28-2016 at 10:46 PM.
The following users liked this post:
maringa (09-14-2018)
#8
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Pump fluid level with roof open and roof closed on my 99 XK8
Edit: The amount of fluid (the change) is insignificant and has no value! If you notice my tank is overfilled by a small amount that brought the level of fluid higher in the tank causing the fluid change to appear greater than it really is because of the cylindrical shape of the tank when the roof is open. No need to be overly concerned as long as you fill only to the top line with the roof open or closed.
Edit: The amount of fluid (the change) is insignificant and has no value! If you notice my tank is overfilled by a small amount that brought the level of fluid higher in the tank causing the fluid change to appear greater than it really is because of the cylindrical shape of the tank when the roof is open. No need to be overly concerned as long as you fill only to the top line with the roof open or closed.
Last edited by Gus; 06-29-2016 at 05:58 PM. Reason: Additional comment under Edit
#12
The following users liked this post:
Americain (08-11-2016)
#13
#14
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
The roof on my 1996 XK8 stopped going down. The quarter windows go down but that's all. After reading the thread I checked the fluid tank. It looked at about the lower level but to be sure I added a few mls. Still the roof will not go down, although I can hear the pump.
I figured it must be an unlatching problem. I noticed a post from stevepaa who said he had the same problem and solved it by overfilling the tank. Does anybody have experience or an opinion on this?
I figured it must be an unlatching problem. I noticed a post from stevepaa who said he had the same problem and solved it by overfilling the tank. Does anybody have experience or an opinion on this?
#15
#16
#17
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Vern thanks for your suggestions. I figured it must be a latch not unlocking problem, so I got out the Allen key and used it to turn the latch manually a couple of times (for readers not familiar with this, the handbook describes how to raise the top manually if the pump fails and lock the latch manually). I then tried using the switch to lower the top and it worked. I sprayed some silicone lubricant on the latch mechanism.
John L
John L
#18
#19
#20
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Just a quick question- after the rear windows go down, the top unlatches and goes down, should the latch close? Mine stays open and the information center says "convertible top not latched". Could it be put of sequence? Or need more fluid? The fluid is at the top line on the reservoir