Front wheels locking up
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Front wheels locking up
Hi all,
I have read as much as I could find about the brakes. First noticed the problem pulling into the garage. As I transitioned from the asphalt drive way to the concrete garage floor, I felt the car "dragging" and could hear a tire scruffing. Next time I backed out of a parking space and put the car in drive, it felt like it went into park. I gave it a little gas and it clunked into gear and started to move forward.I found a transmission shop familiar with these cars, and they said have it towed over and they would do a scan.
while the car was being loaded onto the flatbed, the operator mentioned I needed two new tires? I looked and both front tires had holes worn through rubber and into the core material in several areas.
ive read about problems with solder joints in the ABS control box but all the ones I read about had some warning of trac not available or others.
I used my OBD II scanner and it showed no codes, and I have no dash warning.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Jack
I have read as much as I could find about the brakes. First noticed the problem pulling into the garage. As I transitioned from the asphalt drive way to the concrete garage floor, I felt the car "dragging" and could hear a tire scruffing. Next time I backed out of a parking space and put the car in drive, it felt like it went into park. I gave it a little gas and it clunked into gear and started to move forward.I found a transmission shop familiar with these cars, and they said have it towed over and they would do a scan.
while the car was being loaded onto the flatbed, the operator mentioned I needed two new tires? I looked and both front tires had holes worn through rubber and into the core material in several areas.
ive read about problems with solder joints in the ABS control box but all the ones I read about had some warning of trac not available or others.
I used my OBD II scanner and it showed no codes, and I have no dash warning.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Jack
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Wear on your front tires is very likely from excess negative camber due to worn out upper strut bearings. They collapse with age and cause the front suspension to sag. With the unequal length control arms, the top of the wheel tucks in more than the bottom, and negative camber develops, which wear out the inner edges of the front tires. The stock Jaguar part is junk, so consider the Welsh Enterprise poly mounts instead.
The transmission on the 4.0 cars is the ZF 5HP24. It has its weaknesses, reputedly from the valve body applying excessive fluid pressure to the A-drum and destroying it over time. Lots to read about that. On the cheaper end of things, these transmissions are very sensitive to fluid level, so maybe have that checked out. Lots of 5HP24 experts on this forum...
The transmission on the 4.0 cars is the ZF 5HP24. It has its weaknesses, reputedly from the valve body applying excessive fluid pressure to the A-drum and destroying it over time. Lots to read about that. On the cheaper end of things, these transmissions are very sensitive to fluid level, so maybe have that checked out. Lots of 5HP24 experts on this forum...
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Jack,
The first essential is to determine if this is a brake fault or a transmission fault. The transmission is acting on the rear wheels only in the XK8 so it could lock up entirely and the front wheels should still rotate freely. Scrubbing off the front tyres that drastically suggests something seizing.
Jack up the front of the vehicle to check the wheels rotate freely. The brake pads should be in light contact with the brake discs but the wheels should turn easily by hand and not "grab" at any point. If not, you may have a sticking caliper preventing the brakes from releasing.
Graham
The first essential is to determine if this is a brake fault or a transmission fault. The transmission is acting on the rear wheels only in the XK8 so it could lock up entirely and the front wheels should still rotate freely. Scrubbing off the front tyres that drastically suggests something seizing.
Jack up the front of the vehicle to check the wheels rotate freely. The brake pads should be in light contact with the brake discs but the wheels should turn easily by hand and not "grab" at any point. If not, you may have a sticking caliper preventing the brakes from releasing.
Graham
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Thanks, I understand the front wheels are not connected in any way to the transmission, it was already on the truck so I decided to have the trans serviced anyway. Car has about 100,000 miles now.
I have replaced the upper bushings recently and had a 4 wheel alignment done.
I recently replaced the front pads and rotors and they spun freely then, but I'll check again.
I have replaced the upper bushings recently and had a 4 wheel alignment done.
I recently replaced the front pads and rotors and they spun freely then, but I'll check again.
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Tranmission turned out to be fine.Brought the car home and took the wheels off to have a look at the suspension, nothing bent but noticed the right rotor was pointing straight ahead, while the left was in a slight right turn. I replace the upper shock mounts when I first bought the car 3 1/2 years ago. The ride height is low on both sides and even lower on the Drivers side.
I bought new Welsh mounts, new shocks and new springs and of cours new tires. I decided not to do the job myself after watching a video. Had it towed to a shop that has done me good a few times. He'll install the new parts and do an alignment.
Fingers crossed
Tranmission turned out to be fine.Brought the car home and took the wheels off to have a look at the suspension, nothing bent but noticed the right rotor was pointing straight ahead, while the left was in a slight right turn. I replace the upper shock mounts when I first bought the car 3 1/2 years ago. The ride height is low on both sides and even lower on the Drivers side.
I bought new Welsh mounts, new shocks and new springs and of cours new tires. I decided not to do the job myself after watching a video. Had it towed to a shop that has done me good a few times. He'll install the new parts and do an alignment.
Fingers crossed
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Brake hose collapse
Possibly a brake hose collapsed. It may not be visible externally. The rubber deteriorates internally. Application of the brakes puts force against the wall of tube. Release of footbpressure - collapsed hose won't allow pressure to release. Locked front caliper is my guess.
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Sounds to me like nothing more than too much toe out wearing out inside of tires. Also the abs in not active in slow moving conditions like a garage. And that scuffing you heard is exactly that. Scuffing from misalignment. I always like to check toe deflection with a pressore bar aka mercedes alignment and i always set the front tire to almost the most specd toe in never in the middle. When you drive down the road the tolerances in the front suspension in taken up and the tires will toe out more than when stationary. If you set up in the middle then when driving youre toed out, and soemtimes into the red wearing out inside of tires. If you set up with more toe in than in the middle on the alignment machinge as you drive the tires will then be in the middle. As i always say. "you dont drive on to work on the alignment machine you drive on the road , you have to know what will happen with each individual car because of this" thats why i like to check suspension deflection as every car is different. More so as they are older . You should never have more than a 2/32nd tread depth difference between the insde and outside tread block of the tires.
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JetJack - Looks like maybe auto correct took over on you (happens to me all the time)? What are srings?
edit - just realized you probably meant springs. If so, are you saying this whole thing was because of sagging / or bad springs? Wow, glad it's OK now.
John
edit - just realized you probably meant springs. If so, are you saying this whole thing was because of sagging / or bad springs? Wow, glad it's OK now.
John
Last edited by Johnken; 09-15-2018 at 11:59 AM. Reason: figured it out?
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