XK8 / XKR ( X100 ) 1996 - 2006

Plastic thermostat housing

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #21  
Old 12-29-2011, 04:13 AM
Languid's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Petrie, Qld Australia
Posts: 215
Received 30 Likes on 24 Posts
Default

jj,

Yes, that is true, they did use bakelite in that role, and even then it did develop radial cracks through shrinkage from the sun coming through the windows/windscreen. It did take a long time, agreed. They also used it for dashboards and all kinds of other fittings such as knobs etc. But the temperature experienced under those conditions doesn't come close to comparable with down in the valley of a working engine. It's almost like one side of Mercury to the other.

I'd need to confirm, but I think it applies to all Ford derived V8's as well as V6's from the Durotec famiuly (now there is an oxymoron - "Durotec"?) For the record, any Ford/Jaguar V8 before April 2000 has Nikasil coatings in the cylinders, and be careful of any engines replaced under warranty over the next year - they were trying to get rid of any Nikasil engines still 'on the shelf'.

Cheers,

Languid
 
  #22  
Old 12-29-2011, 10:54 AM
ant17's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 460
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jamjax
Gang;

Great posts and info.

My question is does this plastic/Bakelite thermostat and housing apply only to 4.0 engines or to the 4.2 series as well?

And should I be concerned and looking for this on my '04 XKR?

FYI Many early cars had Bakelite steering wheels and components.

cheers,

jj
You can look at that cap and housing top center towards the radiator, see gus's photos. If its black plastic, it applies to you.

Yes bakelite is even in my 1931 Ford.
 
  #23  
Old 12-29-2011, 12:56 PM
EZDriver's Avatar
Veteran Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Holly Lake Ranch, Texas
Posts: 2,125
Received 278 Likes on 171 Posts
Default

I think when I replace mine in the near future I will replace the mounting bolts with allen head bolts. Has anyone done this? Any comments?

EZDriver
 
  #24  
Old 12-29-2011, 12:57 PM
Gus's Avatar
Gus
Gus is offline
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Berlin Md.
Posts: 11,341
Received 2,213 Likes on 1,702 Posts
Default

Great idea!

Originally Posted by EZDriver
I think when I replace mine in the near future I will replace the mounting bolts with allen head bolts. Has anyone done this? Any comments?

EZDriver
 
The following users liked this post:
EZDriver (12-29-2011)
  #25  
Old 12-29-2011, 05:44 PM
h2solutions's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: GEORGIA
Posts: 9
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Default

Just changed the plastic with aluminum on my 2000 xj8L. Not too bad a job, except 2 back bolts. To get the original ones out, I used a dremel to cut a slot in the hex head and used a large screwdriver to remove. When I installed the aluminum I replaced the hex head bolts with socket head cap screws and a metric hex ball driver to tighten them. The hex ball driver will operate at quite an angle and makes the back bolts a breeze. Also if ever removed again, no problem. Good Luck.

H2 solutions
 
The following 2 users liked this post by h2solutions:
Abby's Guy (04-08-2012), EZDriver (12-29-2011)
  #26  
Old 12-30-2011, 07:35 AM
Languid's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Petrie, Qld Australia
Posts: 215
Received 30 Likes on 24 Posts
Default

jj,

I'll have to check with Murray, but I'm pretty sure that it applies to all Ford 'Duratec' derived engines.

Send me a reminder email,

Cheers,

Languid
 
  #27  
Old 12-30-2011, 08:17 AM
ant17's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 460
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

I got away cheap on my vdp engine.

The part was about 45.00.

My lincoln built the housing into the plastic intake manifold.

Job cost me $1000.00.

IMO the engineers who designed this fiasco really should be sterilized.
 
  #28  
Old 12-30-2011, 08:37 AM
jamjax's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Geneva, Switzerland
Posts: 768
Received 42 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

Lanquid;

The AJ engine series was a Jaguar engine not a Ford engine, designed in house.

Ford picked it up for US models later.

But I would still appreciate the information if anyone has it on if they ever stopped using the plastic thermostat housings on the '96-'05 XK's

cheers,

jj
 
  #29  
Old 04-08-2012, 08:15 AM
ant17's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 460
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Just replaced mine on the 03 vdp.

Was quite a job, had to chop off the old one.

Rounded one of the 8mm bolts on the housing.

Anyone know where I can find these bolts? Not even sure of the size.

I did find a tip on replacement.

Use the shorter ones from the water manifold on the rear housing and the long ones from the housing on the water manifold.

tia
 
  #30  
Old 04-08-2012, 07:58 PM
walkman1's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 135
Received 10 Likes on 8 Posts
Default 8 mm crowsfoot

I checked the Harbor Freight website, and the wrench sets they list do not include anyhting smaller than 10mm.
 
  #31  
Old 04-09-2012, 05:45 AM
ant17's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 460
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by walkman1
I checked the Harbor Freight website, and the wrench sets they list do not include anyhting smaller than 10mm.
Yes, 99% of my searches showed the same thing.

Finally found a set on ebay for $17. It had the 8mm crow.
 
  #32  
Old 04-09-2012, 07:29 PM
berlin1977's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Newberry SC
Posts: 404
Received 70 Likes on 54 Posts
Default

Could not get a crows foot to work bolts where slightly rounded. Bent 2 8 mm wrenches flat and box end. Added a piece of key stock/ square stock to the bent wrench and made long enough to clear the top of the tower. Turned the key stock with a 10 mm wrench. Crows foot was so wide i could only get a 1/16 turn, with the home made wrench 1/4 to 1/2 turn. made life easier. Jim
 
  #33  
Old 04-10-2012, 05:53 AM
ant17's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 460
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Yep, had the same problem, thus had to chisel off the housing.

Even had to lift the intake for clearance.

Need to find a new bolt now.
 
  #34  
Old 10-14-2012, 11:00 AM
Badkitty's Avatar
Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 53
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I've got the slow leak issue on my 2002 XK8. My dependable local mechanic is recommending replacing the thermostat as long as he is changing out the old plastic housing. I would like to avoid spending money where I don't have to. Am I being short sighted? The car has 77,000 miles on it and the thermostat is most likely original since I bought the car with 39,000 miles on it several years ago.

Thanks!
 
  #35  
Old 10-14-2012, 11:17 AM
GGG's Avatar
GGG
GGG is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Durham, UK
Posts: 120,461
Received 16,852 Likes on 12,186 Posts
Default

Buck,

You are going for an aluminium aftermarket Thermostat Housing? Great improvement on the OE Jaguar plastic one.

Replace the Thermostat - it's a low cost item and a frequent failure.

Graham
 
  #36  
Old 10-14-2012, 03:02 PM
Badkitty's Avatar
Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 53
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default Replace good thermostat?

I have been having the same slow leak issue. My mechanic wants to replace the housing and the thermostat. If the thermostat is still good, am I just being cheap and shortsighted for not wanting to spend the money on replacing it right now?
 
  #37  
Old 10-14-2012, 07:06 PM
GGG's Avatar
GGG
GGG is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Durham, UK
Posts: 120,461
Received 16,852 Likes on 12,186 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Badkitty
I have been having the same slow leak issue. My mechanic wants to replace the housing and the thermostat. If the thermostat is still good, am I just being cheap and shortsighted for not wanting to spend the money on replacing it right now?
YES - see #35 above.

Graham
 
  #38  
Old 10-14-2012, 08:28 PM
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Hazlet Township, NJ
Posts: 4,746
Received 1,423 Likes on 1,066 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ant17
Yes, 99% of my searches showed the same thing.

Finally found a set on ebay for $17. It had the 8mm crow.
This is what I used when I upgraded my thermostat housing to aluminum - easier to use than the crows foot, bent crows foot, etc - no manipulation to the bolt is needed and no worries about rounding off the bolt...

GearWrench 9908 8mm Flex-Head Combination Ratcheting Wrench - Amazon.com GearWrench 9908 8mm Flex-Head Combination Ratcheting Wrench - Amazon.com
 
  #39  
Old 10-15-2012, 05:50 AM
ant17's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 460
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by abonano
This is what I used when I upgraded my thermostat housing to aluminum - easier to use than the crows foot, bent crows foot, etc - no manipulation to the bolt is needed and no worries about rounding off the bolt...

GearWrench 9908 8mm Flex-Head Combination Ratcheting Wrench - Amazon.com

Looks interesting, you were actually able to get that around the bolt and clear the intake?
 
  #40  
Old 10-15-2012, 05:58 AM
ant17's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 460
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by abonano
This is what I used when I upgraded my thermostat housing to aluminum - easier to use than the crows foot, bent crows foot, etc - no manipulation to the bolt is needed and no worries about rounding off the bolt...

GearWrench 9908 8mm Flex-Head Combination Ratcheting Wrench - Amazon.com
Just bought one to have.

TITAN 12808 8 MM FLEX HEAD RATCHETING WRENCH | eBay
 


Quick Reply: Plastic thermostat housing



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:20 PM.